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<kilo_> @weather LHUD
<bigbrother> kilo_: Error: No such location could be found.
<kilo_> @weather LHBP
<bigbrother> kilo_: Error: No such location could be found.
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<reinhard> jamest: please let me know if you have a few minutes for me
<reinhard> i have a logical problem with forms when using appserver
<reinhard> and i need your input on it
<jamest> go ahead and ask
<jamest> i have a meeting in a few but have a bit of time
<reinhard> jamest: ok
<reinhard> we are implementing default values in appserver now
<reinhard> which means basically that the user can provide a python script that runs on creation of a new record
<reinhard> for appserver, this script runs on createEmptyRecord
<reinhard> that means from forms view
<reinhard> if i press the "new record" button
<reinhard> the script runs and provides default values in forms
<reinhard> then, i can change values (and even override defaults)
<reinhard> and press the "save" button to store it
<reinhard> does it sound sane up to here?
<jamest> yes
<reinhard> ok now the problem is
<reinhard> this "new record" is run automatically for *every* single datasource in the form when you open a form
<reinhard> which means that
<reinhard> if i open a form with 5 datasources
<reinhard> enter something in one datasource
<reinhard> and press commit
<reinhard> i will also automatically commit an "empty" (but initialized) record for the other 4 datasources
<jamest> because all the default values are set right?
<jamest> in all 5 datasources
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> so all 5 datasources are "dirty"
<reinhard> I am not sure but i have been thinking
<reinhard> whether it would be a good idea to have a way to turn off
<reinhard> the "auto-insert new empty record if there is no current record in the recordset" feature
<reinhard> for a datasource
<jamest> i seem to recall internally that forms has a way to set field values but not mark the record as modified
<jamest> which we use for default="" values in the gfd IIRC
<jamest> it should be possible to extend that functionality to the trigger space
<jamest> and I think there is a option to turn off auto-insert
<jamest> but i think that's application wide not just for a specific form
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<btami> hello jamest and all
<btami> svn: Berkeley DB error while opening 'nodes' table for filesystem /var/svn/gnue/db:
<btami> Cannot allocate memory
<btami> t
* btami asks why this happening every day?
<btami> reinhard: you here?
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<jamest> because i imagine apache-ssl got reactivated
<dsmith> btami: istr that jamest thinks that box is overworked/underpowered.  Like too much mail processing?
<jamest> sigh
<dsmith> nevermind
<btami> hmm
<jamest> i guess not
<jamest> swap isn't hardly touched
<jamest> it seems our nightly backups may be hanging
<jamest> so that svn dump is still open
<btami> jamest: another question
<btami> the form triggers doesn't work if they contain builtin function calls lik range() etc.
<btami> ------------------------------------------------------------
<btami> Hiba: Traceback (most recent call last):
<btami> SyntaxError: unqualified exec is not allowed in function '__main___NAMED_PigLatin' it contains a nested function with free variables (<unknown_executioncontext>, line 4)
<reinhard> jamest: so you would think that the correct way was to set the initial values without marking the datasource as dirty?
<btami> jamest/reinhard: is it a correct fix to add " in globals(), locals()" in python.py line 168 ?
<btami>       revisedCode += "    exec '%s = __namespace [\"%s\"]' % (__add, __add) in globals(), locals()\n"
<reinhard> btami: i don't think so
<reinhard> " would make them strings instead of function calls
<btami> ?
<reinhard> maybe i didn't understand you right
<reinhard> can you give the old and the new line?
<btami> it works, but i'm not sure this is the correct way to fix the bug
<btami>       revisedCode += "    exec '%s = __namespace [\"%s\"]' % (__add, __add)\n"
<btami> is the old line
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> and you add the "in globals(), locals()"?
<btami> yes
<reinhard> this should be correct
<reinhard> if you make it "in globals (), locals ()"
<reinhard> then it even fits the other code ;-)
<reinhard> but that's actually what i thought it would be default
<btami> ok, thx
<btami> i will commit it then
<reinhard> thanks
<btami> if svn will be up again
<btami> anyone has a plan how official packages will be started, or
<btami> everyone started hes own project :)
* btami just browsed the gnue-packages subdir yesterday...
<btami> and find some interesting old stuff about gl and likes
<btami> btw. reinhard: is there a way to fill appserver classes etc. from some xml without using forms
<btami> ?
<reinhard> sure
<reinhard> from a gsd
<btami> how?
<reinhard> the gsd must be like the ones in the sample directory
<btami> ok,ok i know
<btami> but i don't want to write internal appserver-related parts into gsd by hand
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> so the answer is "no"
<reinhard> currently
<btami> :(
<reinhard> we are still not sure what will be the most comfortable way to push class definitions into appserver
<reinhard> i mean
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<reinhard> what will be the prefered way to author class definitions
<reinhard> most probably there will be as many prefered ways as authors :(
<btami> like old .gcd files ?
<btami> maybe we need a new xml def for it
<btami> i see
<btami> so this is one of the missing part for starting official gnue packages
<btami> by non programmer guys
<reinhard> most non programmer guys have been pushing for the forms solution
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> back from meeting
<jamest> svn should now be working
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<jamest> reinhard: i don't know which would be the best way to fix that
<jamest> but i can see places where it would be handy for a trigger to be able to set a value w/o it marking the record as modified
<dsmith> jamest: More svn issues? This really is intolerable.  Did you ever ask on #svn?
<jamest> no, i haven't had time
<jamest> to set down and really work on it
<chillywilly> hmmmph
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<Vee> bitpim.sf.net is sweet, finally able to manage my phonebook/calendar/etc on my phones from the computer
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<SachaS> hi everyone
<SachaS> hallo reinhard
<reinhard> hi SachaS
<SachaS> reinhard: what do you think es liest sich komisch f?r mich.
<SachaS> just got home
<reinhard> well it's just that there's much "Reinhard said" and "Reinhard confirmed" and so on
<reinhard> like i was the big oracle to tell the ultimate truth
<reinhard> and you pass it along to the mere mortals ;-)
<SachaS> haha
<SachaS> ur the guy, reinhard :)
<SachaS> ahmm. i did not unterstand your last sentence. passing it on to the mere mortals??
<SachaS> what do you mean?
<reinhard> du gibst es an die normalsterblichen weiter
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> we can change the whole thing again;)
<SachaS> anyway
<SachaS> I just got home from a SAP NetWeaver Day (they are world touring).
<SachaS> i am full with NetWeaver :)
<SachaS> so i saw some cool stuff
<SachaS> reinhard: do you have time for a chat?
<SachaS> maybe again after 6pm
<SachaS> maybe, this time, we make it to a bar ;)
<reinhard> i'm not sure for this week
<reinhard> my voice is broken
<reinhard> erm
<reinhard> i'm hoarse (had to look that up)
<SachaS> your hoarse?
<reinhard> and i don't feel like talking much these days..
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> probably caught a bad cold
<reinhard> hoarse - not horse ;-)
<reinhard> heiser
<SachaS> !bot hoarse german
<SachaS> ok
<SachaS> ok
<SachaS> then i talk this time
<SachaS> ;)
<SachaS> u say when u have time
<reinhard> ok
<SachaS> i am free
<SachaS> except wednesday and thursday ;)
<SachaS> we can also postpone it to next week
<reinhard> i think w should
<reinhard> i'm not sure when i will be ok
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<SachaS> hmmm
<SachaS> ok
<SachaS> i am off to a birthday party
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> see yas later
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<SachaS> reinhard, are you still working?
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> u still hoarsed?
<SachaS> good night
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