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<SachaS> good morning
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<holycow> hi sacha
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<uruboro> hi does gnue navigator depend on different libraries than forms, to use the gtk2 ui?
<uruboro> i mean, navigator 0.5.4 in wx works but by default starts in text mode and launches gtk2 forms
<uruboro> bbl
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<cedmo> hello, sombody on?
<cedmo> i need a quick information on gnue
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<cedmo> hello uruboro
<uruboro> hi
<cedmo> can you give me a short hint on gnue
<uruboro> oh im a newbie myself, but try asking anyway :)
<cedmo> i've read over gnue just 5 mins ago and just want to know if it is in a state where it is usable
<uruboro> what system would you run it on? 
<cedmo> i just wan't to set up a small system to automatically generate invoices and some small contact management
<cedmo> linux
<uruboro> yes, i mean i just installed it on a 667 mhz machine and the appserver is somewhat sluggish... if you use only forms and a database it is fine though
<cedmo> my concern is, that gnue is far to big for my use. we are a small 3 man company and gnue seems to be not out of the box ready
<cedmo> what else can you use it for? is it easy to develop a invoice-generator etc.?
<uruboro> well i don't know if there are some ready packages you should customize it
<uruboro> have you ever tried some RAD like access or 4D or delphi?
<cedmo> hm, there seems to be some ready erp packages, but i could'nt find out how usable they are
<cedmo> no, we are a linux only company
<uruboro> i just installed babyerp which is somewhere in the svn repository
<cedmo> there is some acces like projects growing. kexi for kde, but we need some business logic and these projects have no scripting possibilites at the moment, afaik
<uruboro> it should be interesting as it's a small project
<uruboro> oh i think gnue made a good choice using python for scripting 
<cedmo> sound interesting. but you have gnue running? is developing as fast as for example under access? or dou you have to be a python expert?
<uruboro> i had gnue running for like 5 hours ;) 
<cedmo> oh, k
<cedmo> but you have used the form developer?
<uruboro> yes, a little. one just takes the fields from the db drops them into the form add a button and script it
<cedmo> sounds great
<uruboro> what i have yet to discover is how to make forms for related tables in a master detail fashion. it is possible to do it, of course
<uruboro> anyway access or 4d are somewhat simpler because gnue is database agnostic
<cedmo> so you can use for example a simple mysql/postgresql database which has the fields you need and start over... kewl
<uruboro> yes, theres the possibility to create a schema to work with different databases
<uruboro> if you are using postgresql i can paste my notes on how i made the thing work
<cedmo> ok, an the implementation of some real small business logic should be no problem for a perl beginner. i want to setup some account which needs to split on fied to few database querys. is that what you mean with related tables?
<cedmo> oh, that would be cool
<uruboro> i don't understand, split what? (i'm no native english speaker btw)
<cedmo> i'm no native speaker, too. what's your foreign language
<uruboro> italian
<uruboro> you?
<cedmo> german
<uruboro> oh ok better stick with english then :)
<cedmo> maybe that's the reason why i had problem to describe my needings
<cedmo> yes, my italian is fixed to some meal-names
<uruboro> hehe 
<uruboro> wait i look for my notes
<cedmo> k
<uruboro> my gnue install notes are in italian :(
<uruboro> anyway, do you use x86 machines?
<cedmo> ok, but thanks a lot. i will install gnue and do some trying
<cedmo> yes, x86
<cedmo> why?
<uruboro> ok np if you used other archs you would have needed to compile stuff from source
<uruboro> just a couple suggestions
<uruboro> first try using python 2.3 for everything
<cedmo> k
<cedmo> under gentoo this should be no problem
<uruboro> second with me the . setup.py install command doesnt work, python setup.py of course does
<uruboro> what distro are you using, gentoo?
<cedmo> yes
<uruboro> is there a way for you to install .rpms? gnue reports needs pysablot 
<uruboro> and i think only a .rpm for x86 is available
<cedmo> hm, rpms are always trouble with gentoo. i think it should be possible to compile everything by hand
<cedmo> i have found an ebuild for gnue. i think i will try this or look inside which steps it does
<uruboro> hehe i guess that settles it :)
<cedmo> hehe
<cedmo> for what are you interested in gnue?
<uruboro> wait in case you need it i have a doc somewhere in english 
<uruboro> i had a small app in 4D (rad) i'd like to port to gnue
<cedmo> ah
<uruboro> it's inventory and sales for a small business, but i never finished it
<cedmo> i want to setup some automagically invoice-sending server for my little business
<cedmo> hehe, same as my propietary php-solution
<uruboro> invoice sending using fax, too? hylafax should be supported by gnue.reports
<cedmo> yes, i have read it. do you think/know it is possbile to do batch reporting, so i can cron-job and script invoice generation?
<uruboro> i must discover if it's possible for gnue to full take advantage of the object orientation of python. business logic should be able to, i dunno with forms and stuff. if it is python should be better than php for business apps, until php gets oo that is
<uruboro> yes i think gnue report can be run as a command... wait i check
<uruboro> Available command line options:
<uruboro>  
<uruboro>   --batch, -b
<uruboro>               Run GNUe Reports in batch mode -- i.e., no login information or
<uruboro>               runtime parameters will be prompted. If required parameters are
<uruboro>               not provided, then Reports will terminate with an error
<uruboro> it should be
<cedmo> good
<cedmo> and my last question to you before i dive into reading the mans, what kind of data could one hanble. do you think one can develop a solution where binary data such as images is stored
<uruboro> postgres can handle blobs, i dunno for gnue
<uruboro> you might want to come back here and find the developers :)
<uruboro> they know :)
<uruboro> did you get my notes in priv?
<cedmo> what's good time for europeans like us to chat with the gurus?
<cedmo> beginning with : this is the doc for babyerp with the correct names. the doc is originally meant for the svn version
<cedmo> yes
<uruboro> i think there s some european among the developers, but maybe today it's a slow day 
<uruboro> ok 
<cedmo> in germany there is holyday tomorrow
<uruboro> start with the docs in the tar.gz , if you have trouble you will probably need the notes about pysablot.
<uruboro> i know, many germans and austrians on the beach near here :)
<cedmo> yes, i'll do so. but first i have to get some beer
<uruboro> hehe
<cedmo> hehe, in my village there is a big party with all the people. but that's nothing for me, i'm more the urban type
<uruboro> i sometimes go to koeln to meet my sister and brother in law, good for finding good dance records
<uruboro> i also like discoes there, here in italy we're too trendy and ignorant of music at the same time
<cedmo> your brother and sister live in germany? i've never been in koeln. but i live in a very koeln alike city, freiburg.
<cedmo> what kind of discos do you like, music style?
<uruboro> no brother in law is the one who marries my sister... i think
<cedmo> oh
<cedmo> my failure
<uruboro> music style can be either house electro techno. but also rap. i don't like trance much
<uruboro> nevermind im not sure it's the correct term :)
<cedmo> trance... sometimes without voice while driving into the city. but i' more the house and electro type, too. some goa and drum'n base. but club music is my favourite
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<uruboro> you have a better culture for music in germany, some records i found in koeln i was looking them for years, never found them in milan or elsewhere
<cedmo> but here in freiburg black music is growing. once we had so decent clubs with house... but everything was closed down for political reasons or they changed to black because it is very hip here
<uruboro> also one goes to music shops and finds vynil. not here. only  dj shops carry vynil here
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<uruboro> RnB hip hop are very populare here too
<uruboro> hi mixi, are you experienced with gnue, a bit?
<cedmo> yes, electronic music especially has it's roots here in germany. and in the switzerland they have great scene, too
<uruboro> political reasons here made clubs turn the volume down. you may guess what it does to electronic gigs :)
<cedmo> yes, i can imagine
<uruboro> oh i remembered that if gnue is not for you you might try a rad called rekall
<cedmo> rekall, what os is it for?
<uruboro> i dunno anything about it, didn't get it to work on my powerpc
<uruboro> should be linux
<cedmo> yes, i have found it. it's from the kompany, they develop for qt, so it should be linux
<uruboro> http://www.rekallrevealed.org/
<cedmo> looks interesting, but not as extendable as gnue
<uruboro> yes gnue is more ambitious
<cedmo> and has some great packages available
<uruboro> i still haven't seen them, last time i checked they were at the proposal stage
<uruboro> let me check
<cedmo> yes, i think there is some functionality missing. but for a small business like us it is enough. the sole thing i was missing was an email agne
<cedmo> app
<cedmo> that would integrate everything i can imagine our customers need into one framework
<uruboro> uhm... i think gnue developers thought about email :) maybe using some python modules
<cedmo> hm, i thought that there must be some moving toward such a thing because i would fit
<uruboro> yes
<uruboro> i must go to sleep now- i hang out in #debian and here. good night :)
<cedmo> hm, this rekall thingy looks really good for fast development.
<cedmo> ok, and a big thanks again for your advices. you have really helped me a lot
<cedmo> n8
<uruboro> auf wiedersen or how it's spelled :)
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