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<kilo> morning
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<btami> hi kilo
<kilo> hi btami
<reinhard> hi btami
<reinhard> and kilo
<reinhard> thanks for testing pre1
<btami> reinhard: the .value doesn't works now in triggers, so jcater changed it intro.gfd
<btami> to get()
<btami> hi reinhard :9
<kilo> hi reinhard
<kilo> hu translation is done
<btami> do you know the reason, it worked before...
<btami> pre1 is ok on win
<reinhard> btami: i think we haven't changed something with triggers for more than a month
<reinhard> kilo: thanks
<reinhard> i also received es_ES translations on info@gnue.org
<reinhard> the process with prereleases, testing, and translations seems to work well :-)
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<btami> reinhard: is dropdown working for you as expected? i'v not played with then for a while
<btami> ah, and another question: the gtk2 support in wx is official now, so 
<btami> maybe new distros will come with wx compiled --enable-gtk2
<reinhard> is that in wx 2.5?
<btami> but i don't know how to check this without installing any of the
<reinhard> or 2.6?
<btami> http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wxwindows/readme-gtk-2.4.2.txt
<btami> before the said expilitely in this readme: there is no support for gtk2
<btami> s/the/they
<reinhard> hmm
<reinhard> after all the troubles wx has given us
<reinhard> i'm not sure if we just shouldn't try to polish up the native gtk2 interface
<kilo> yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
<btami> our distro (UHU-Linux) comes with wx compiled --enable-gtk2
<btami> wish jan was here to work on that :)
<ajmitch> gtk2 isn't so hard ;)
<btami> yessss! ajmitch is our volunteer !
<ajmitch> first thing is to get a list of issues with the gtk2 ui driver & a bunch of testcases as well
<reinhard> ajmitch: good to have you here
<reinhard> ajmitch: i *think* both bugs in debian bts regarding forms are actually fixed with the current release
<reinhard> i mean the past release not the upcoming release
<reinhard> and if you could test packaging with the prereleases we could make sure you won't need a .1 release this time :)
<ajmitch> reinhard: they should be :)
<reinhard> ajmitch: i mean you probably could close those bugs
<ajmitch> I've had university piled on top of me recently - only just squirmed out from under it ;)
<ajmitch> great
<ajmitch> I intended to
<ajmitch> reinhard: the problem with forms was that it didn't show up until it was uploaded into the main debian archive
<ajmitch> iirc
<reinhard> ah oh
<btami> pre1 .exe files just uploaded 
<ajmitch> reinhard: one problem I have is that I don't know appserver well enough to test it :)
<reinhard> ajmitch: you can give me some debs and i will test on a fresh sarge install
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> just building a deb now
<ajmitch> E: gnue-appserver: binary-without-manpage gnue-gcd2sql
<ajmitch> how irritating :)
<kilo> reinhard: is it a holiday now in AT?
<ajmitch> reinhard: deb made & uploaded :)
<btami> bbl
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<reinhard> ajmitch: thanks
<reinhard> yes it's a holiday today
<reinhard> ajmitch: where did you upload?
<reinhard> i will create the manpage
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<derek> jamest/jcater is .setFocus broked?
<derek> if it is broked you remember any key reasons why it might have broked?
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<jamest> derek: think it borked ages ago
<jamest> probably when the <entry>/<field> split
<derek> any hopes of a fix soon (or should i look at breakign it myself) ;)
<derek> also we have a "pre-focusout" trigger
<derek> is there any way in that trigger to stop the focus from leaving?
<derek> i.e. before i leave check value
<derek> if value fails don't leave
<derek> currently we are enforcing business rules on an entry
<derek> and throwing an error message telling them to fix it
<derek> but they can click okay and cruise to the next field
<derek> we want to throw them back in the entry they made the bad data edit in
<derek> so that they are forced to fix before they can leave
<derek> also in showmessage is there a way to change the title?
<derek> we can change the message
<derek> but not the title or subtitle
<derek> and it didn't in the manual show additional parameters
* derek runs off to meeting
<derek> hmm looks like there is a caption
<derek> but not a title
* derek thinks i can fix this one
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<SachaS> i will be on holidays for a couple of days
<SachaS> but will take the laptop with me ;)
<SachaS> cya
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<ajmitch> morning all
<reinhard> hi ajmitch
<reinhard> you said you uploaded the debs
<reinhard> where?
<reinhard> :)
<dsmith> debs?
<ajmitch> mentors.debian.net, sorry
<ajmitch> dsmith: gnue-appserver debian package :)
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> i have to add mentors to my sources.list?
<reinhard> could you also upload common?
<reinhard> (i can't test appserver without common)
<ajmitch> common is in debian
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<ajmitch> and also on m.d.n
<ajmitch> was there a common pre-release that I missed? :)
<ajmitch> sigh, there was too..
<ajmitch> you just have to make things difficult...
<chillywilly> hi ajmitch 
<ajmitch> hi chillywilly
<reinhard> ajmitch: forms also
* ajmitch mutters
<reinhard> is mentors an official debian thing?
<reinhard> I happen to know Christoph Siess and Daniel K. Gebhardt personally
<ajmitch> not official, no
<reinhard> ok
<ajmitch> otherwise it'd probably be mentors.debian.org :)
<ajmitch> since it's separate, anyone they approve can upload
<reinhard> you are still no official DD?
<ajmitch> nope
<reinhard> seems to be a time consuming process...
<ajmitch> I'm hoping to get a Y/N answer by this time in 2006 ;)
<reinhard> heh
<reinhard> so you kinda did an exam and wait for the result?
* reinhard is just curious
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<reinhard> hey kilo
<reinhard> time for bed
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> at least for me :)
<reinhard> night all
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<derek> i committed fix for caption param.. seems it was in GFInstance but dont in GFForms so made it so the GFForms call worked as well
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<derek> jamest: are you opposed to me fixing the GFInstance function (as well as the GFForms one) to allow title change as well?
<jamest> title change?
<derek> currently on a message box there are 3 text parts
<derek> 1. title (currently it says untitled)
<derek> 2. caption (defaults to GNUe Message) but committed fix to allow as parameter
<derek> 3. message (works fine)
<derek> so im proposing
<jamest> these dialogs?
<derek> showMessage('message','caption','title')
<jamest> i'm ok w/ the change 
<derek> yes dialogs
<derek> where caption and title are "optional" params
<chillywilly> doesn't gnue have a generic plugin mechanism that it adopted?
<jamest> yes
<chillywilly> how does it work?
<derek> but this is different
<derek> oh wait /me misread that
<jamest> dyn_import
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> that's not much of a plugin api though ;P
<jamest> nope :)
<jamest> but it's trival to use it as such
<chillywilly> what if you wanted to query the plugins so you could list them in some sort of UI
<jamest> i think we do something like that in the data sources
<derek> jamest is svn down?
<chillywilly> I thought I saw Driver.py in most of the db drivers
<jamest> hell, when isn't it
* derek is trying to commit and it seems to be really slow (or hanging)
<derek> it prompts for password then just sits there
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<jamest> derek: hang on
<chillywilly> so I take that as a no....we don't have a plugin system other thn dyn_import?
<jamest> i'm not sure exactly what you're after
<jamest> but i use dyn_import for plugins
<jamest> and just define the API based upon the need
<jamest> but there is no standard API to discover a module's capabilities, no
<chillywilly> hmmm, well some svn commit messages were a bit misleading then ;)
<chillywilly> I have an API then I guess
<jamest> if it's recently added i wouldn't know
<jamest> as I'm living taxation
<chillywilly> ok...
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<chillywilly> hey VeeOffice 
<chillywilly> hmmm, viewcvs is real slow now
<chillywilly> oh because svn is jacked up?
<chillywilly> ;P
* chillywilly drop kicks svn
<chillywilly> I alos use gnue's dyn_import ;)
<jamest> derek: try now
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<derek> jamest: worked
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<derek> jamest in GFInstance.py there is function called displayMessageBox that does an activateForm
<derek> when i look that activateForm i can't follow where it is jumping to (readily)
<derek> i need a list of valid parameters that can be used
<derek> but am not readily finding
<derek> i tried a few and they didn't bomb but didnt work
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<derek> nevermind i figured it out via GBaseApp
<derek> wtf...
<derek> it appears in the form object via xml you can set title="something"
<derek> but in code it aint happening
* derek slaps it some
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<derek> is it possible to do a
<derek> form.title = "foo"
<derek> or
<derek> form.title.setValue("foo")
<derek> as neither appears to work and the first wont even error
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<derek> sigh...
* derek will try again later
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<chillywilly> did anyone see that Lawrence Lessig joined the FSF board back in April?
* chillywilly hasn't looked at the GNU site in quite a while
<jcater> cool
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