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<jamest> don't know if that's right, but its on anyway :)
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<kilo> and do you know something about commit mails? and also no mail forwards
<jamest> i really don't know anything about it
<kilo> woa, logs are working again
<kilo> www.clannandrumma.com/radio,htm , 'click here to listen now'
<btami> jamest: thx
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<SachaS> hi everyone
<kilo> hi Sacha
<SachaS> hi kilo
<SachaS> hows going
<kilo> seems like log is running again
<SachaS> cool
<kilo> i need your opinion. do you think gcds should be able to include other gcds?
<SachaS> i have a phone conference in a couple of minutes
<SachaS> a live demonstartion of workflows
<kilo> i got to collect my family soon also
<SachaS> http://www.wfmc.org/
<SachaS> i am not sure if .gcd should include .gcds
<SachaS> you want to include the money .gcd in another .gcd file ...
<kilo> exactly
<SachaS> i guess the include would make sense
<SachaS> or have a new .gscd
<SachaS> gnue super cd ;)
<SachaS> where you can include .gcd
<SachaS> so per .gcd one module
<SachaS> or have an uri ;) pointing to our .gcd repository
<SachaS> ooops was I the one who suggested that?
<SachaS> actually i once became a presentation of the ebXML registry/repository
<SachaS> the repository = database or filesystem
<SachaS> so .gcd's would go into the repository
<SachaS> then in the registry you can have meta data, classification, associations etc
<SachaS> all the data of the registry (meta data, classifications, associations etc) also go into its own database
<SachaS> currently they are evaluating subversion to add versioning to stored documents in the repository
<SachaS> i like the idea of such a registry/repository for .gcd files.
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* SachaS needs an application to use gnue
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<johannesV> SachaS: are you on the 'wrong' channel ?
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> johannesV i need an application in gnue
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> i dont know what it will be, but I want one
<johannesV> just updated the sqlite-driver to work again with gnue :)
<johannesV> now i've to rebuild the introspection and to create the creation-stuff
<dsmith> johannesV: Cool.
<johannesV> Sacha
<johannesV> what kind of application
<johannesV> dsmith: well, introspection might get a bit rough because of sqlite's lack of typeinfo
<johannesV> but it seems as if we can parse this from the sqlite_master table
<dsmith> I like the whole concept of sqlite.  No comm protos or servers, just a library and a file.  It great for certain apps.
<johannesV> yes, i had that feeling too
<johannesV> i couldn't believe it first, just did an apt-get install sqlite and everything was usable :)
<johannesV> from scratch ...
<johannesV> :)
<dsmith> We converted a windows app that used dao (or whatver it's called) to a vb sqlite dll.  Very painless. It even uses [ and ] as quote chars.
<kilo> johannesV: i have a class def in a gcd, where two properties are the same reference type, referring to a previously defined class
<kilo> and in interbase it fails
<johannesV> hmm
<kilo> i generated the sql file and noticed that it had a referential integrity check to the referred class
<kilo> but it was repeated two times, under tha same name
<johannesV> oh, right 
<johannesV> damn
<johannesV> so the second will raise an error
<kilo> and this is the error, cause interbase cant insert the reference info to the appropriate system table
<kilo> yes, the second one, no matter what order they are
<johannesV> so the sql code contains two alter table statements with the same constraint
<johannesV> the problem is, introspection can't tell us something about constraints or indices or keys in general
<kilo> yes, 2 exactly same sql commands
<johannesV> so i thought a 'viable' practice could be to check wether all fields listed in a given constraint exist or not
<johannesV> if they're new to the schema, we will add an alter-table with the constraint
<johannesV> this clashes if we have to references of the same type resulting in the same constraint
<johannesV> both conditions (field checks) are positive
<johannesV> :(
<johannesV> so you've found a problematic bug
<kilo> you did know and went to holiday??? 8-))
<johannesV> i think i should patch the creator to hold a list of 'constraints to be added'
<johannesV> which is some sort of 'unique' to a batch
<johannesV> this way adding the same constraint multiple times could be avoided
<johannesV> kilo: no, i haven't thought of that problem, but knew there is a general problem regarding constraints and keys
<kilo> just joking
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<kilo> yes, this list seems to be a good idea
<johannesV> i'll have a look at it; for now i'm fighting the sql-statement parsing of sqlite
<kilo> ok, it is not a critical problem, as the tables are ok, and the constraints are ok too
<kilo> it just fails to add the second constraint
<johannesV> right, but i'll try to fix it tomorrow 
<johannesV> ok, so that's all for today
<johannesV> have a nice evening !
<johannesV> bye
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<seb__> anybody there?
<seb__> i get svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.gnuenterprise.org': Connection refused
<seb__> when i try to grasb latest svn source with the command i copied off of the web site
<reinhard> seb__: we are sorry
<reinhard> seb__: our svn server has been compromised
<reinhard> and we had to temporarly turn off anonymous svn access
<seb__> ok so irt's 
<seb__> s/irt/it
<reinhard> you can grab the daily snapshots from the download section on the web page
<seb__> ok, will do.
<seb__> does that mean that when svn is alive again i wil incrementally upgrade?
<seb__> err, on second thoughts I will just use release from debian sid now.
<seb__> thanks anyway.
<reinhard> seb__: release from debian sid is not quite up to date
<reinhard> but ajmitch will be able to tell you when there will be new packages :)
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<SachaS> hi reinhard
<SachaS> how are you?
<SachaS> recovered well? ;)
<SachaS> i missed the social event
<SachaS> we went for a nice dinner
<SachaS> was also good
<SachaS> talked about software patents
<SachaS> but from what i heard
<SachaS> if I go again to LinuxTAG I will also go to the social event ;)
<reinhard> yeah it was nice
<SachaS> i am off to bed
<SachaS> night
<reinhard> night Sacha
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<kreiszner> I have installed gnue on a debian testing system and
<kreiszner> even upgraded it once by apt-get but have yet to be able
<kreiszner> to display the first form. What do I need to do. I have
<kreiszner> a postgres db up and running. 
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<kreiszner> jamest, do you have a moment.
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<jamest> what's up?
<kreiszner> I have installed gnue on a debian testing system and
<kreiszner> even upgraded it once by apt-get but have yet to be able
<kreiszner> to display the first form. What do I need to do. I have
<kreiszner> a postgres db up and running.
<derek> gnue-forms /path/to/samples/intro/intro.gfd
<kreiszner> so I just run that file
<jamest> gnue-forms is the client
<jamest> the gfd file is just a xml file that describes the form 
<jamest> if this is a .deb install then I don't know where the samples are installed
<jamest> anyone know, is ajmitch is making the .debs now?
<reinhard>  /usr/share/doc/gnue-forms/samples
<reinhard> i *hope* he does
<reinhard> he hasn't done so for our june release
<reinhard> but then, we haven't changed our topic to point to the new news, either
<jamest> i noticed that :)
<kreiszner> I have the release before the last one.
<kreiszner> I only have /usr/share/doc/gnue-forms/examples/intro/intro.gfd.gz
<reinhard> kreiszner: you probably have to unzip that to some localtion
<kreiszner> I can do that but should I scrap the idea of using .deb's and install from source.
<kreiszner> I thought that it would be easier with the debs
<jamest> i think the .debs are ok
<jamest> if you're comfortable w/ source then I'd lean toward the latest release or even our svn checkouts or snapshots
<kreiszner> I am not comfortable with anything but so far nothing is working and I am in never never land.
<kreiszner> I did install from source a long time ago though.
<jamest> then stick w/ the .debs
<jamest> and gunzip that sample
<jamest> then try it out
<jamest> at least that way we'll know you have a working install :)
<kreiszner> I have unziped but what is the command to try it out? Sorry for my incompetenc.
<reinhard> night all
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<jamest> gnue-forms yourfile.gfd
<jamest> where yourfile.gfd is the path to that file you unziped
<kreiszner> I get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
<jamest> are you running this on your local machine?
<kreiszner> yes
<jamest> under an X session?
<kreiszner> yes
<jamest> it is being blocked from accessing the GUI
<kreiszner> I guess I am doing this from my postgres account is that bad
<jamest> it would have to be from the account you've logged into the gui as 
<jamest> or
<jamest> from a shell opened as the login user you can bypass that via the command
<jamest> xhost +
<jamest> which allows any machine, anywhere to display stuff on your desktop
<jamest> until you log off 
<kreiszner> this machine doesn't like that command but I am going to change the permissions of the file and try that.
<kreiszner> I have the intro form working. Thanks.
<kreiszner> Maybe one day I could write a super newbie doc for people like me.
<jamest> that would be cool
<kreiszner> I have been wanting to move all my accting over to gnue for some time 
<kreiszner> and have moved my data to postgresql but I need now to
<kreiszner> get up to par on gnue.
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