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<SachaS> gtk2 drvier does not load form in gnue navigator area (running appserver.gpd)
<SachaS> addresslist of appserver.gpd isnot working
<SachaS> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<SachaS> DB000:   File "/home/sacha/gnuenterprise/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/navigator/UIwx.py", line 189, in OnTreeItemActivated
<SachaS> DB000:     object.run()
<SachaS> DB000:   File "/home/sacha/gnuenterprise/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/navigator/GNObjects.py", line 185, in run
<SachaS> DB000:     self._controller._clientHandlers[self.type](self, self._params)
<SachaS> DB000: TypeError: _runReport() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
<kilo> hi SachaS
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<SachaS> hi kilo
<kilo> how are ya
<SachaS> ok. thanks.
<SachaS> but not having time for gnue :(
<kilo> guess what, i was reading ubl docs all weekend
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<SachaS> and tell me what you think of it?
<kilo> well i kinda like basic components' structure
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<kilo> but i can find places where it is not general enough imho
<SachaS> like ...
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<kilo> like address base package, i think the one in gnue-packages is better
<SachaS> i get you a cool link for address package
<SachaS> you might have to cut another tree in your garden, sorry about that ...
<SachaS> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ciq
<SachaS>  OASIS Customer Information Quality TC
<kilo> oh, man, are you an agent of OASIS? 8-))
<SachaS> :)
<johannesV> hi guys
<johannesV> SachaS: gtk2 driver is nearly finished
<johannesV> i rewrote the complete gtk2-uidriver
<johannesV> and i'm now 'cleaning' up the code
<johannesV> so i think i can commit it today or tomorrow ...
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<AndrewSmart> hi
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<kilo> hi reinhard
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<wayneg> jamest, thanks, the anon svn is working for me now.
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<jamest> good
<jamest> sorry it took so long
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<btami> jamest: jcater introduced 2 new toolbar icons (edit-modea and print), but they are missing from the default iconset
<btami> do you know where the old icons come from?
<jamest> ujm
<jamest> i *think* i pulled them from gnome2 icon site
<jamest> tigert icons maybe?
<btami> can you grab the missing 2
<btami> ?
<jamest> http://tigert.gimp.org/gnome/gnome-stock/
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<jamest> those look right?
<btami> or can we use them from gnome iconset dir?
<andrew> hi
<jamest> hi
<jamest> we should copy into our set
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<jamest> as i (and others I imagine) don't install gnome
<btami> ok
<btami> i will put them to default, thx
<btami> hi AndrewSmart
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<AndrewSmart> hi
<AndrewSmart> who is the "leader of the pack" of the GNUe team? :)
<btami> jamest
<AndrewSmart> thanks
<jamest> gack
* jamest doesn't quite feel that way
<jamest> i'd say it's a group of people that hang out in here
<AndrewSmart> :)
<jamest> derek and I are comaintainers but the poeple that do the work influence it more than those that don't
<jamest> i've been missing in action for months due to real life things
<AndrewSmart> I sent a email yesterday to the gnue list
<AndrewSmart> most important I need an answer to the legal question
<AndrewSmart> is it possible to use the GNUe enviroment to build closed source ERPs?
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<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> derek is far more up on the legal stuff than I am
<AndrewSmart> jamest: what's your timezone, BTW
<AndrewSmart> there is no real legal stuff on the project homepage
<AndrewSmart> BTW
<jamest> CST
<jamest> it's 10am here
<jamest> we gpl'd all the gnue tools so gnue-common is GPL
<jamest> which would mean that if you built a custom app using gnue-common via python import statements then my understanding is it'd have to be gpl'd
<AndrewSmart> viewed from this point you're probably right
<jamest> I *think* we discussed this before and I think all the .gfd .gpd .grd file formats the tools use could be closed source
<jcater> yes
<jcater> in a nutshell
<jamest> but the problem you'll run into is that we really made no efforts to protect those files
<AndrewSmart> i found also some mails about templating
<jcater> gnue-forms, gnue-reports, etc --> python interpreter
<jcater> .gfd, .grd, etc, files --> .py files
<jcater> from a conceptual viewpoint
<jcater> so stuff fed into our gnue-tools don't necessarily have to be gpl'd
<jcater> but if you extend our tools, or use our library, it does
<jcater> though, as with all things legal, you are best consulting a lawyer specializing in such things :(
<jamest> fwiw: one reason I wanted the GPL was so that customers were protected from consultant lock-in
<jamest> i wonder if the FSF could better answer or consult on this?
<AndrewSmart> I just wanted to grasp the idea behind it
<AndrewSmart> who is working on the integrator and reporting stuff?
<jamest> i don't think there has been much activity on integrator for a while
<jamest> or gnue reports come to think of it
<AndrewSmart> what I can offer:
<jamest> reports is usable 
<jamest> but integrator isn't IIRC
<AndrewSmart> a integration tool called "data migration tool"
<AndrewSmart> build in python
<AndrewSmart> ready for use
<AndrewSmart> focused on online- and batch-integration
<jcater> I've been doing indirect work on gnue-reports in prep for some more stuff
<jcater> like barcodes, etc
<AndrewSmart> I can also add some "data aggregation" stuff for reporting: hierachical report aggregation definitions including engine
<AndrewSmart> interested?
<jamest> yes, i imagine we would be
<jamest> we're always interested in help :)
<AndrewSmart> I could write some specifications about "what is..." and put it into the wiki
<AndrewSmart> so that you can look over it and give it a nod (or not)
<AndrewSmart> how many companies are involved here?
<AndrewSmart> do you know of german people here?
<jamest> i get some time doing gnue for 1 company plus I use it at my "real job", reinhard has his own company working on it, i think jason gets some time, derek possibly, others have come and gone (apologies if I'm off on this or have forgotten someone)
<AndrewSmart> are this more IT companies (using the tool) or "real hard working" companies which do something other than IT? ;)
<jamest> i'm work in math dept at university
<jamest> i use it for reports, data entry, automation of things like system config files (dhcp, dns)
<jamest> i also use it in a call center/sales company
<jamest> reports, data entry, batch processing
<jamest> i'm currently implementing a simple inventory control system 
<jamest> my work there ties into their existing java sales system that I inherited maintenance on
<jamest> i'm converting as much as possible to gnue as their ex shipping manager is now a part time tech guy
<AndrewSmart> do you know of any people which are using oracle as back bone?
<jamest> and via gnue-designer and basic sql he can create his own simple systems 
<jamest> jcater has oracle as a backend
<jamest> gnue-forms is actually inspired by the old Oracle SQL*Forms product
<jamest> jcater and myself both used (and liked) that product
<jamest> in some areas we far exceed sql*forms capabillities, in some others we're still lacking
<jamest> bbiab
<AndrewSmart> ahhhh
<AndrewSmart> I thoughed about Oracle Forms while I saw the term "block"
<AndrewSmart> one of my contacts/backgrounds is a Oracle Form migration project
<AndrewSmart> so I'm quite familiar with such a background
<AndrewSmart> I can add some more development power into GNUe
<AndrewSmart> but for the costs that the focus is going to be more commercial
<AndrewSmart> do you think this would be ok for this development/open source group?
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<AndrewSmart> what does "bbiab" mean?
<chillywilly> be back in a bit
<AndrewSmart> thanks
<chillywilly> np
<btami> hmm, GNUe is a GNU project
<btami> i don't know how can it bee commercial...
<btami> s/bee/be
<AndrewSmart> not in this sense
<jcater> well, there's a difference between closed-source and commercial
<AndrewSmart> the people I'm talking to are interested to get a tool which they can use to build applicatons
<AndrewSmart> this applications are tailor-made for the customer
<AndrewSmart> so there may be requests to the GNUe enviroment which are very specific from a commercial environment
<AndrewSmart> I know that GNUe is GNU Enterprise
<AndrewSmart> but I don't know how many people here focus more on the "E" than the GNU
<AndrewSmart> :)
<AndrewSmart> this may include some requests like "users & rights" which may sound not sensible to the dev crowd here
<AndrewSmart> since I don't know the people I just ask :)
<AndrewSmart> wouldn't make sense to invest time if most of the people here are just not interested :)
<jcater> most/all of us come from commercial backgrounds
<jcater> so a lot of what you'd likely ask about
<jcater> is on our TODO list
<jcater> f.e., users and rights
<AndrewSmart> fine
<jcater> it just takes someone with needs and time to step forward and do them
<jcater> so, iow, we welcome help :)
<AndrewSmart> love to hear that
<AndrewSmart> are you interested in TWiki support?
<jcater> yes
<jcater> I did the twiki
<jcater> months ago
<jcater> and I *still* have a headache from it
<AndrewSmart> LOL
<AndrewSmart> I know what you mean
<AndrewSmart> I have now done the fourth or fith twiki site setup
<AndrewSmart> after this you get used to it
<AndrewSmart> i even have a python/qt based wiki client which is compatible with twiki
<jcater> all of our twiki templates are in our svn repository
<jcater> that's cool
<AndrewSmart> but this is currently closed sourced
<AndrewSmart> but there may be hope that I can open it
<AndrewSmart> we'll see
<AndrewSmart> did you install Plugins?
<jcater> I think I installed a few
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<AndrewSmart> i found the ambar skin recently
<AndrewSmart> this looks nice
<AndrewSmart> would it be possible to leave  the basic "GNU Enterprise" HTML layout and "open up" the display to use the full screen for twiki?
<AndrewSmart> you loose a lot of space
<AndrewSmart> http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Plugins/AmbarSkin
<AndrewSmart> you can define personal menus in Ambar, this is also "nice feature"
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<jcater> I would prefer to keep the themes consistent
<jcater> though I'm not opposed to a shorter top header for detail pages
<jcater> but one that is consistent
<AndrewSmart> we can create our own skin
<AndrewSmart> means: copy a existent one & patch a bit
<AndrewSmart> what elements of the theme do you would like to keep?
* jcater is confused
<jcater> I thought we did have a custom theme going
<AndrewSmart> ah
<AndrewSmart> my path of thoughts: use a twiki skin which uses more of the left-over-space
<AndrewSmart> take some of the elements of the current theme, but change them a bit (make the logo smaller, e.g.)
<AndrewSmart> my experience with twiki's is: you haven't enought space :)
<AndrewSmart> what should be the primary use of the wiki?
<jcater> user-contributed notes/documentation
<jcater> i.e., trigger recipes
<jcater> installation howto's
<AndrewSmart> I can add webforms and searches to categorize this stuff
<AndrewSmart> (currently I'm doing such a thing right now in a customer related wiki)
<AndrewSmart> is the use intended for change requests, bugs & such stuff?
<AndrewSmart> also: developer specifications?
<jcater> no
<jcater> user-contributed notes/documentation
<AndrewSmart> ok
<jcater> i.e., trigger recipes, installation howto's
<jcater> etc
<AndrewSmart> should I create some webforms for recipes and howto's?
<jcater> that would be neat
<AndrewSmart> how is your "i want to make an proposal" process :)
<AndrewSmart> ?
* jcater never grokked webforms
<AndrewSmart> webforms are quite easy
<AndrewSmart> problem is to get lists based on the data which you entered
<jcater> well, it was more a time issue than anything
<AndrewSmart> you have to use %SEARCH% and you'll get much much headaches from it
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<AndrewSmart> jason?
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<AndrewSmart> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/TriggerRecipes
<AndrewSmart> i did some small stuff with webforms to show the principles
<AndrewSmart> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebFormRecipe
<AndrewSmart> this is the webform
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<AndrewSmart> one can think also about an "status" field ("in work, done") for recipes
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<reinhard> l8r
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* chillywilly kicks the python logging module
<jcater> be nice
<chillywilly> it's not doing what it is supposed to be doing...
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> weird
<jcater> did you know in *nix platforms, there's a syslog module
* jcater didn't know that until this weekend
<chillywilly> yea
<chillywilly> python logging module is better
<chillywilly> ;P
<jcater> *snicker*
<chillywilly> seems all the loggers inherit the level of the root logger
<chillywilly> oh well at least I can get some damn output
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<derek> jcater: jamest suggested i do an rm -rf / to fix a problem and ever since then i am having trouble finding that syslog thing ;)
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<jcater> mooo
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<dneighbo> barf