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<dimas> hello all
<dimas> reinhard: how to push button in curses ui?
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<reinhard> dimas: press the finger against the screen ;-)
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> doesn't work yet
<reinhard> that's one of the things i still have to do
<kilo> hi everyone
<reinhard> hi kilo
<dimas> reinhard: i did pressing it up to 4am :)
<dimas> hi kilo
<kilo> hi reinhard, dimas
<btami> hi all
<kilo> hi btami
<dimas> reinhard: what about dropdowns?
<dimas> hi btami
<reinhard> dropdowns work in a way they are usable
<reinhard> that is
<kilo> yesterday my wife declared exclusive access to our computers, so i have to read two day's log now...
<reinhard> you can enter the first few characters and it fills out the rest
<reinhard> but you can not yet list the allowed values
<btami> kilo, you have several computers
<johannesV> hi
<kilo> btami: yes,but limited physical space at the desktop... so i watched le tour instead
<btami> ahaaa
<btami> the tour is same as F1, just s/Schumi/Armstrong
<kilo> not, it is not. ie I like Armstrong, but dislike Schumi 8-))
<btami> :)
<dimas> reinhard: thanks, will try today
<kilo> and those mountains... i love watching le tour
<reinhard> hi johannesV
<reinhard> release time!!
<kilo> hi johannesV
<johannesV> well, is there forms included ?
<johannesV> if so i'd like to commit the copy and paste stuff first
<btami> yes,it's mucho better than watching news
<johannesV> but it seems as if there's a bug in the keymapper
<reinhard> no, only common and appservre
<reinhard> appserver
<johannesV> ah, ok
<johannesV> hi kilo
<reinhard> there's still a lot of things to do for curses ui
<johannesV> kilo: did you notice the bug-fix to your runForm () problem ?
<kilo> yesterday was no-computer day for me, just reading logs and mails
<dimas> reinhard: as what?
<reinhard> buttons
<reinhard> listing allowed values in dropdowns
<reinhard> boxes
<reinhard> listboxes
<reinhard> scrollbars (??)
<reinhard> showing a list of function keys in the last line on the screen
<dimas> first two are most valuable for me now
<ajmitch> hi
<btami> is there any interest on html ui ?
<ajmitch> btami: sure
<ajmitch> so long as I'm not writing it for now ;)
<btami> i'v made some wery experimental attempt
<kilo> btami: yes
<ajmitch> using what?
<btami> but stucked a bit
<ajmitch> there was an attempt started in webware at one point
<btami> simpleHtmlServer from Python
<btami> ok, i commit it, and maybe someone will continue
<ajmitch> ok, so it won't be part of a normal website?
<btami> it can, if you use medusa or other python based server
<btami> but it's not implemented yet
<btami> maybe it can be turn to mod_python 
<btami> but i'm not familiar with web programming enough
<ajmitch> maybe someone could write a zope product for it ;)
<ajmitch> or webware
<ajmitch> or use one of the other frameworks
<ajmitch> there's a partial html forms implementation in already, iirc
<ajmitch> I think siesel did a lot of work on it
<btami> yes, but it's in php
<btami> and it doesn't use gnue-common adn gnue-forms
<btami> it's a total reimplementation of forms in php
<ajmitch> right
<btami> ok, committed, so you can see the sources in gnue-forms/src/uidrivers/html
<btami> it's read only, no page support, etc-etc.
<reinhard> no buttons
<reinhard> ;-)
<btami> :)
<btami> it countless issues to solve/code
<btami> if some of you are interested, feel free to do anything with it
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<kilo> johannesV: runForm works ok, thx
<kilo> but i can produce a warning when trying to exit with uncleared form
<kilo> ** (gnue-forms:3244): WARNING **: Invalid UTF8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
<kilo> when the message box comes up
<johannesV> ok
<johannesV> kilo: would you try it again ?
<kilo> sure
<btami> johannesV: the messages came from ErrorHandler.py are truncated in gtk2 ui
<btami> just try to run fe: intro.gf
<kilo> johannesV: it works, but an other instance produces same error, if the database is not accessible at startup
<kilo> gfcvs -u gtk2 CDict.gfd
<kilo>  
<kilo> ------------------------------------------------------------
<kilo> Hiba: Nem sikerült a belépés az adatbázisba.
<kilo>  
<kilo>        (111, 'Kapcsolat elutas\xedtva')
<kilo> ------------------------------------------------------------
<kilo>  
<kilo>  
<kilo> ** (gnue-forms:3597): WARNING **: Invalid UTF8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
<kilo> Hiba: Nem sikerült... is Error: Can not log in to database...
<johannesV> is this because the db is shut down ?
<kilo> yes
<johannesV> ok
<johannesV> btami: what is it with intro.gfd ?
<btami> hmm, just try to run forms with any mistyped form name
<johannesV> ah, i see
<johannesV> btami: if i run gfcvs -u gtk2 foo.g i get a text-only errormessage and that's it
<btami> strange, in my uidrivers/gtk2/ErrorHandler.py i have 
<btami> def handleStartupError(errortext):
<btami>   print
<btami>   print '-' * 60
<btami>   print _("Error: %s") % errortext
<btami>   print '-' * 60
<btami>   print
<btami>   _StartupErrorDisplay(str(errortext))
<btami>   sys.exit()
<btami> and later:
<btami> class _StartupErrorDisplay(gtk.MessageDialog):  def __init__(self, errortext):    message = _('Unable to start GNUe Forms:') + '\n\n %s' % errortext        message = lineWrap(message,60)        gtk.MessageDialog.__init__(self, None, gtk.DIALOG_MODAL|\                               gtk.DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT, \                               gtk.MESSAGE_ERROR,\                               gtk.BUTTONS_CLOSE, message)    self.show_all()    self.conn
<johannesV> but this doesn't get called in this context (i think)
<johannesV> at least not if you mis-type the form-name
<kilo> i get a message box too besides the text errormessage in btami's case
<btami> i have to say, i'm testing it on XP
<kilo> and ** (gnue-forms:3633): WARNING **: Invalid UTF8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
<btami> and i _get_ the dialog
<johannesV> ok, i'll try to track down
<btami> kilo: can you try "gfcvs -u gtk intro.g" for my please
<btami> s/my/me
<kilo> did that, same error as above, just (gnue-forms:3652). and i get the message box, with truncated text in it
<btami> ok, thx
<johannesV> hmm, strange
<btami> johannesV: after svn up, i get this error
<btami> c:\python23\scripts>gf -u gtk2 intro.gfd
<btami> c:\python23\scripts>C:\python23\python.exe C:\python23\scripts\gnue-forms -u gtk2 intro.gfd
<btami> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python23\scripts\gnue-forms", line 34, in ?
<btami> DB000:     client.run ()
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python23\Lib\site-packages\gnue\forms\GFClient.py", line 171, in run
<btami> DB000:     instance.activate()
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python23\Lib\site-packages\gnue\forms\GFInstance.py", line 307, in activate
<btami> DB000:     self._uiinstance =  self._uimodule.GFUserInterface(self.eventController, disableSplash=self._disabl
<btami> eS
<btami> erm
<btami> DB000:   File "C:\python23\Lib\site-packages\gnue\forms\uidrivers\gtk2\UIdriver.py", line 100, in __init__
<btami> DB000:     self._display   = gtk.gdk.display_manager_get ().get_default_display ()
<btami> DB000: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'display_manager_get'
<johannesV> shit
<johannesV> fogott to add the module gtk
<johannesV> hmm, no, wait ...
<johannesV> it's working for me
<johannesV> btami: what version of pygtk do you have ?
<btami> wait...
<btami> pygtk-2.2.0-1.win32-py2.3.exe 
<btami> wait, maybe a have 2.0.0
<btami> i reinstall it...
<johannesV> btami: could you please check the following
<johannesV> no, do not downgrade
<johannesV> 2.2. is fine
<johannesV> start python
<johannesV> import gtk
<johannesV> gtk.gdk.display_manager_get ()
<johannesV> this should return an instance (and not an error)
<btami> stop
<btami> sorry
<btami> i had 2.0.0 installed
<btami> i'v just installed 2.2.0 and it's OK
<btami> sorry again
<johannesV> ok
<johannesV> so we've to 'require 2.2'
<btami> yes
<johannesV> ok, so i'm leaving for lunch now -- i'll check this stuff later
<btami> me too, bbl
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<reinhard> ****************************************
<reinhard> 0.0.9 of appserver is out
<reinhard> can somebody please change the channel topic
<reinhard> thanks
<reinhard> ****************************************
<ajmitch> look for j{cater,amest,bailey} :)
<ajmitch> or derek
<ajmitch> no new common to go with appserver?
<ajmitch> ah, 0.5.6, great
* ajmitch grabs
<ajmitch> appserver depends on new common, or will it work with 0.5.5?
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<reinhard> appserver depends on common 0.5.6
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> will note that in dependencies :)
<reinhard> off for now
<reinhard> have a nice weekend all
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<johannesV> kilo: i've no found out why there wasn't a message-box displayed for me; if you add a --debug-level to the call no messagebox appears on startup-error
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<johannesV> kilo: error handler should now work
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<kilo> johannesV: thx, sorry for replying late, been playing with the kids
<jamest> could anyone with reportlab (not running debian sid) open python and try
<jamest> from reportlab.graphics import renderPM
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<jamest> heck, even people w/ debian could try it in case my box is screwed up
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<wayneg> well it ain't just your box jamest i'm also running sid ... ImportError: No module named _renderPM
<jamest> thanks wayneg
<wayneg> np
<jamest> what little google turned up made me think this was part of debian reportlab in the past
<wayneg> ain't it a pain in the ass when stuff don't work right!
<jamest> thankfully i don't need it 
<jamest> i just wanted to add bitmap support via reportlab back into the barcode output stuff
<wayneg> coolies
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<btami> hi all
<btami> jamest: http://www.reportlab.org/rl_addons.html
<jamest> that wouldn't resolve last night
<jamest> as that was output in the error message iirc
<jamest> but it works now
<jamest> i musta mis cut n pasted(?)
<jamest> thanks
<btami> http://www.reportlab.org/daily/renderPM-0.98-daily-unix.tgz
<jamest> thanks
<btami> np
<btami> it isn't in UHU-Linux too
<jamest> i see you started a new html driver
<holycow> hey guys
<holycow> congrats on the upcoming release :)
<btami> yes, and stucked on events :(
<btami> then i'v lost a bit my inspiration to continue 
<btami> maybe someone else will continue to work on it
<holycow> take a breather, refresh your self :)
<btami> holycow: thx, i will try :)
<johannesV_> btami: i think i'll have a look at it the next few days
<btami> ok
<johannesV_> btami: have you noticed the updates on gtk-driver ?
<johannesV_> copy & paste should work no (for entries and text-views; combo's will follow)
<btami> cool
<johannesV_> do you know where to get those both missing icons ?
<johannesV_> or are they just missing for gnome ?
<btami> no, jcater knows iirc
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<johannesV_> ah, ok
<btami> jamest gave me a link, but i'v forgot it
<btami> it's in the logs, or we can ask jamest/jcater again :)
<johannesV_> as i see they are included in the gnome-iconset
<johannesV_> but not in the default one
<johannesV_> wow, gnome-iconset looks great !
<btami> we can copy the missing 2 to default, but they style is a bit different...
<jcater> http://primates.ximian.com/~tigert/new_stock_project/
<holycow> i hate that fuking home icon
<johannesV_> btami: right, the style is different; default looks like 'gtk-stock-items'
<btami> johannesV_: look at jcaters link, thx jcater
<johannesV_> thanks
<btami> bbl
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<reinhard> jcater: well as you are here
<reinhard> could you please change the topic?
<reinhard> we already have news/10140.php now
<reinhard> maybe "first beta release for appserver 0.1 available"
<jamest> reinhard: sure
<jamest> we can change all the default icons as far as I'm concerned
<jamest> the only reason we choose the ones we did was because um
<jamest> that's all we could find
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<jamest> er, nevermind then
<jcater> err, sorry
<jcater> I thought he was talking to me
<jamest> he was
<jamest> i figured you'd be in a meeting or something
<jamest> long lunch
<jcater> I agree w/icons
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<jcater> we were hardpressed to find free/gpl icons
<jcater> and tigerts were the best we could find at the time
<jcater> not that I thought they were great for our needs
<jcater> but the best we could do at the time
<jamest> we can also loose the splashscreen graphic
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<jamest> and replace w/ something more like designer
<jamest> or just lose
<jamest> :)
<reinhard> thanks jcater
<reinhard> btw
<reinhard> i still have uncommitted changes in my local cvs
<reinhard> for several months now
<reinhard> waiting for you to fix the webpage generation script
<reinhard> to no longer use the DRIVERS= variable :)
<jcater> ah
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> ok
<jcater> what should it do now?
<jcater> is there a list() function now?
<jcater> you told me
<reinhard> i forgot
<jcater> but I forget
<jcater> I'll look
<reinhard> it's too long ago :)
<jcater> this has been a bad summer for me
<reinhard> yep
<reinhard> there is a list () function
<reinhard> and the self test code of plugin.py contains a sample on how to use list ()
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> you sound like my wife
<jcater> "You know, I've been waiting on you to do this for months... when are you going to get around to it"
<jcater> :)
<jamest> if you weren't such a slacker you wouldn't have to put up with that jason
<jamest> i've heard all about how you spend almost every day goofing off at things like eating and sleeping and using the restroom
<jcater> nah
<jcater> I quit most of those
<reinhard> jcater: i can try to fix it
<reinhard> if you can give me a hint of where to do it
<jcater> I'm in the code right now
<jcater> if I can do it in a couple of minutes, I'll fix now
<reinhard> great
<jcater> if not, I will conveniently forget about it
<jcater> until I'm reminded again
<jcater> err, I mean
<jcater> I'll try to get to this weekend
<reinhard> *g*
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<jcater> reinhard: ok, seems to be working
<reinhard> jcater: excellent, thanks
<reinhard> then i'll commit
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<kclever> Hello, I have tried to install GNUEnterprise on my PC and am having problems with it, is there anyone here able to help?
<jamest> what OS?
<kclever> Windows, right now
<jamest> what's it doing wrong?
<kclever> I Installed all the pieces but when I go into a Dialog Box Comes up, Saying Errors occured look at the Log File. And The Log File is blank
<kclever> And all the pieces do that, Forms, Designer, Reports, etc
<jamest> is this from source install
<jamest> or the .exe files?
<kclever> From the EXE installer
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<jamest> kclever: i'm not much help on the windows side of things
<jamest> you could try the forms program on the intro.gfd
<jamest> with --debug-level 5
<jamest> i think there is a icon create for that app
<kclever> Ok, Well it Lunch time... I'll be back though...  
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<SachaS> kilos suggestions concerning gnue-packages would be monday at THIS time (-7 minutes)
<reinhard> i think yes
<SachaS> i met a guy from the liechtenstein library today
<SachaS> their library software runs on SUSE linux
<SachaS> must be a huge librarian software package (commercial), a lot of universities are using it
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<SachaS> apparently he sporadically visits linux user group vorarlberg meetings.
<SachaS> but missed out last night ;)
<reinhard> what is his name?
<SachaS> meinrad bĂźhler
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<reinhard> ah yes
<reinhard> i know him
<SachaS> ok
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<kilo> SachaS: yes, you were exact regarding the time of the meeting
<SachaS> hi kilo
<SachaS> are you still working on the .gcds?
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<kilo> now, i am looking at my good ole Laphroaig single malt Islay whisky bottle
<SachaS> jesus
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> geeeh
<SachaS> :)
<kilo> so definitely not working on gcds right now 8-))
<SachaS> haha
<SachaS> maybe i should also get a whisky bottle ;)
<kilo> i can advise you on that topic very detailed
<SachaS> haha
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<kilo> bye
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<kclever> Is Anyone Avail to help with a Problem?
<kclever> When I try to get into the Designer I get an DB000: NameError: name sys is not defined;  So what am I missing?
<ajmitch> are you using wxpython 2.5?
<kclever> I Am..
<ajmitch> wx 2.5 is an unstable, development series
<ajmitch> afaik it's currently not supported by gnue, sorry
<kclever> Well thats Definatly a help though
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<ajmitch> wx 2.4 should be fine :)
<kclever> I'm Installing that now
<kclever> And It worked Thank you!
<ajmitch> great
<kclever> So what is up the EXE's on the Windows Platform?  When I try to Execute them they Tell me to look at the log and the Log has This:
<kclever> Traceback (most recent call last):
<kclever>   File "gnue-designer", line 30, in ?
<kclever> ImportError: No module named gnue.designe
<kclever> Any Recomendations?
<ajmitch> designe, or designer?
<kclever> Designer sorry
* ajmitch looks around & doesn't see btami..
<ajmitch> gnue-common is installed?
<kclever> Yep
<ajmitch> how odd
<kclever> And If I Run the Designer.py it runs just fine..
<ajmitch> I don't know the windows setup of things, unfortunately
<kclever> Thats Ok, I'll try again later, I at least have something now to look at and try to see if it will work for what I need.
<kclever> Thank you again aj
<ajmitch> you could try asking on the mailing list
<kclever> Ok, I'll hook up there shortly...  Thanks
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<reinhard> hey ajmitch
<reinhard> you are da man hey!
<ajmitch> hi reinhard
<ajmitch> heh
<reinhard> you finally got your upload permission?
<ajmitch> nope
<ajmitch> someone else in #hurd offered ;)
<ajmitch> judging by past records, I'll be stalled for a year with no explanation waiting for the debian account manager
<reinhard> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ajmitch@gnu.org shows your gpg key
<ajmitch> latest common & appserver have been uploaded only a few minutes ago, anyway
<ajmitch> that's because they fixed the page
<reinhard> which it hasn't done before IIRC
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> thought that has something to do with you becoming official DD
<ajmitch> nah
<reinhard> ajmitch: i know you uploaded
<ajmitch> so when's the next forms release?
<reinhard> see the subscriber's count for appserver
<ajmitch> I thought you'd be tracking it..
<reinhard> 1
<reinhard> that's me :)
<ajmitch> hehe :)
<reinhard> i hope it will be in a week or so
* ajmitch wonders if gnue-forms 0.5.6 will be released soon due to gtk2 changes?
<ajmitch> ok, that's good
* holycow waves to all
<ajmitch> I can get on with splitting it into different ui driver packages then
<reinhard> i think gtk2 is very close to getting finished
<holycow> hola aj :) ehe
<reinhard> yeah exactly
<ajmitch> since there'll be 2 usable drivers
<reinhard> gnue-forms-wxgtk
<reinhard> gnue-forms-gtk2
<reinhard> gnue-forms-curses
<reinhard> 3 usable drivers :)
<ajmitch> that's what held up 0.5.5 - I was trying to sort out the splitting
<holycow> nice
<ajmitch> I had -wxgtk, -gtk2, -qt, -curses
<ajmitch> and the base gnue-forms
<ajmitch> -qt hasn't had much love lately
<ajmitch> hi holycow
<ajmitch> reinhard: btw I've got a databases assignment to do this weekend - I've got to invent an ER diagram with 4-8 entities.. got any ideas of what I should model? :)
<reinhard> customer, item, invoice, invoice item
<reinhard> would be the "classic" example
<reinhard> but being a proud upcoming DD you could also
<reinhard> developer, package, release, bug
<ajmitch> not a bad idea..
<holycow> proud upcoming dd :)
<holycow> ehe
<ajmitch> I was thinking of a timesheet app
<reinhard> timesheet
<reinhard> time
<reinhard> erm
<ajmitch> tracking job, project, customer, etc
<reinhard> time??
<reinhard> what time is it?
<holycow> oh i have one for you
<reinhard> 1:41 a.m.
<ajmitch> late
<reinhard> weee
<ajmitch> hehe
<holycow> install gnotime tracker
<reinhard> i think i should go to bed
<holycow> it tracks jobs, time, customer info, journal
<reinhard> ajmitch: thanks for uploading!!
<reinhard> night all
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<holycow> reinhard, night :)
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<ajmitch> hi jcater
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<jcater> howdy
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