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<SachaS> morning
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* SachaS is away: away
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<holycow> !seen kilo
<holycow> no bot with that function huh? :)
<jcater> @seen kilo
<bigbrother> jcater: kilo was last seen here 3 days, 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 15 seconds ago saying: * kilo dives back into his beloved gcd modules
<holycow> ah! :) danke
<jcater> no problem
<holycow> oh boy
<holycow> summarizing the meeting from last week is going to be a lot more work than i thought
<holycow> gonna take a day or two :)
<holycow> ehe
<holycow> you chatterbox monkeys you :)
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<derek> jcater dont you have the week off
<derek> anyone going to SF this week for LWCE
<holycow> i have a week off
<chillywilly> I need a week off
<holycow> oh linux world expo
<holycow> neato
<holycow> one thing patently clear from the meeting is that there is no overall project management per se :)
<holycow> ehe, extremely 'decentralized'
<holycow> :D
<holycow> not that hierarchy is necessary, just a touch of co-ordination if possible
<jcater> yip, have this week off
<jcater> holycow, I'm not sure I agree with that assessment totally
<jcater> there is an implicit project management structure in place here
<jcater> that has emerged after many years
<holycow> i'm not saying i'm right, just what i'm reading a into the text :)
<jcater> nothing formal, of course
<holycow> *nod* like most open source, network distributed, flat hierarchy projects *nod* 
<jcater> but, e.g., decisions re appserver tend to go towards reinhard
<jcater> (just one example)
<jcater> i.e., we're not a free-for-all
<holycow> :) i'm just pointing out some of the questions indicate a feeling for some centralization more than an actual need for it
<jcater> though from the outside looking in, some might think that
<holycow> ehe :) *nod*
<jamest_> discussions involving blame tend to go towards derek
<holycow> hehehe :) 
<jcater> absolutely
<jcater> jamest_, but for good reason
<holycow> well at least we agree on that :)
<holycow> hahaha ;)
<jamest_> jcater: agreed
<holycow> i think the meeting is probably reitarating what everyone knows/wants already
<holycow> actually its starting to sound like the website
<holycow> hehe
<holycow> *** blaming derek again
<holycow> hehehe
<holycow> :) that comes up a lot
<SachaS> what is there another meeting now?
<holycow> no i'm working on the summary
<holycow> its a bit more work than expected
<holycow> what is gnue-sb? theres a few references to it in the meeting but i'm not familiar as to what it is referring to
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<holycow> roadmap: 0.1 reinhard does everything  <-- rofl :)
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<SachaS> gnue-sb => gnue small business
<holycow> oh!
<holycow> right
<mask> question: what do you gnue boffins recommend for xml editing? any emacs-modes worth their salt? 
<kilo> hi
<kilo> anyone seeking me?
<jcater> mask, dunno, I've always just used plain text editor
<jcater> I have seen some people rave about emacs and its dtd support, though
<kilo> mask, i use Scite
<holycow> SachaS, you know, your baby erp, based on the screen shots, really is a great start for gnue-sb.
<btami> hi kilo
<kilo> hi btami
<holycow> i think there is a place for a sub group below gnue-sb, as i get the feeling gnue-sb would be for small business.  there are a lot of micro businesses out there that need off the shelf plug and go kinda thing
<kilo> just finished training
<SachaS> holycow. thanks.
<holycow> okay i'll have this emailed tonights
<holycow> seeya in a few
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<derek> there is an emacs mode for xml
<derek> that supports any dtd
<derek> you can create valid dtds for gnue specs out of the source tree
<derek> then feed those to the emacs mode and you end up with something nice
* derek actually has started liking designer enough that i am not hand editing gfd's often enough to that emacs mode current :)
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<mask> thanks xml-advisors. i just managed to prime my appserver-pump, can start playing now!
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<SachaS> hi kilo
<SachaS> ur still here?
<SachaS> i think you are back reading the logs.
<SachaS> it looks very good that I can do consulting work (freelancer work)
<SachaS> so i had the idea
<SachaS> to use gnue to do the invoicing.
<SachaS> basically i will be paid on an hourly rate
<SachaS> so i have to keep track of the time i work on that project
<SachaS> and then, end of month
<SachaS> have a report (invoice) calculating the total
<SachaS> then sending it electronically via ebXML ;)
<SachaS> not as a pdf, but as an XML invoice
<SachaS> talk to you another day
* SachaS will be away for 3-4 days (knee operation)
* SachaS does not think he has wireless in the hospital
<SachaS> anyway
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<kilo> SachaZzz: ok, will talk about that tomorrow
<ajmitch> hi all
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<drewc> is there a way to display a list of records in gnue-forms?
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<whizman> drewc: you are not by any chance referring to what is called "Listbox" in GNUe Designer - property inspector - entry - style.
<drewc> whizman: Designer you say .. hrm. and here i am knee deep in XML and the forms developers guide. ;)
<whizman> drewc: hrm :)
<whizman> if i may ask - is anyone working on printing?  (i asked a week or two and i think the answer was no then, but the topic was kinda left dangling)
<whizman> (yes i am still interested as always in format masks, but for now the first thing is printing, so i can deliver for paying client)
<jamest> no one is working on printing
<whizman> jamest:  OK, thanks.  I guess I will look into it.
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