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<kilo> hi everyone
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<johannesV> hi kilo
<kilo> hi johannesV
<kilo> i've been dreaming with glds... 8-))
<johannesV> :)
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<lekma> morning everyone
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<kilo> hi lekma
<kilo> hi SachaS
<SachaS> hoi kilo. how are you?
<kilo> that does not matter, how are you?
<SachaS> i am fine. thanks. back. everything went fine.
<kilo> so now you have 3 knees or 2 and a spare one? 8-))
<reinhard> SachaS: happy to hear that
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<SachaS> still 2 knees :) and both working.
<SachaS> hi reinhard
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<SachaS> kilo: another link for you.
<SachaS> i have not looked at it
<SachaS> Universal Data Element Framework: http://www.udef.org/
<kilo> SachaS_lunch: thx, will have a look at it
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<btami> hi all
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<btami> johannesV: i get error with my image.gfd test form with -u gtk2
<btami> DB000:   File "/home/tamas/svn/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/gtk2/widgets/image.py", line 46, in _createWidget
<btami> DB000:     png=wxEmptyBitmap(1,1)
<btami> DB000: NameError: global name 'wxEmptyBitmap' is not defined
<btami> i think jamest is using image widgets in forms (fax system, or something...)
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<btami_lunch> bbl
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<kilo> hi holycow
<holycow> mornin kilo
<kilo> thanks for the sum-up
<reinhard> holycow: your name is Robert?
* holycow waves
<holycow> yes hi :)
<reinhard> where are you from actually?
<holycow> vancouver canada :)
* reinhard thinks Robert is a rather German name
<holycow> hehe :)
<holycow> well the english are a germanic tribe
<reinhard> heh :)
<holycow> i'm certain there is a history to the name that i'm not aware of
<reinhard> nevermind
<holycow> anyway, managed to finally get that summary out, mostly because i finally got a chair that actually has good back support
<holycow> i'm amazed at how much of a difference it makes
<reinhard> thanks also from me
<holycow> i've actually accomplished stuff today :)
<reinhard> FWIW
<holycow> no worries, its nothin' compared to what you guys have already done
<reinhard> release for forms and common building
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<reinhard> oh no
<reinhard> not again a webserver trying to talk to us
<reinhard> ;-)
<holycow> coolies, new release are always exciting :)
<holycow> i gotta grab sacha in the next few days to give me a basic rundown of forms based dev ... just on overview so i can start to tinker
<kilo> Robert comes from the old german Hrodebert or Rodebert, meaning fame, lights
<holycow> really?
<holycow> oh neat, i didn't know
<kilo> aye
<SachaS> kilo: how do you currently populate the tables?
<holycow> ah speak of the devil
<holycow> :)
<SachaS> like having a Status class and you want to add "New", "Open", "Closed" for example...
<kilo> and English is a mixture of Celtic, Viking, Anglo-saxon and Norman people
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<reinhard> ****************************************
<reinhard> GNUe-Common-0.5.7
<reinhard> GNUe-Forms-0.5.6
<reinhard> are released
<reinhard> and uploaded
<holycow> yey!
<dimas_> great
<reinhard> ajmitch: please do deibanize
<dimas_> hi all
<holycow> congrats
<SachaS> and i saw there is appserver-0.1.0
<reinhard> if anybody can do release announcements it'd be great
<kilo> SachaS: gsscvs or manually, depending on number of records
<reinhard> I'm leaving for holidays Sunday and I won't get around to it before that
<reinhard> thanks
<reinhard> ****************************************
<SachaS> kilo: i guess manually is not the way to go...
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<SachaS> enjoy your holidays Reinhard.
<reinhard> thanks SachaS
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<reinhard> I will take my notebook with me :)
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> where you going?
<holycow> have fun reinhard :)
<kilo> Villach?
<SachaS> kilo, next week I will write a gnue application.
<reinhard> kilo: Kärnten
<reinhard> not directly Villach
<kilo> oh. no. don't do that, it will harm your health 8-))
<kilo> reinhard: just remembered you told me something about going near Villach
<holycow> yeah
<holycow> and leave some room for october fest :)
<holycow> ehe
<holycow> i gotta visit german for octoberfest one of these years
<holycow> germany even
<kilo> SachaS: and what kind of app?
<kilo> hmm, do they sell whisky in the octoberfest?
<holycow> beer and lots sausage :)
<SachaS> kilo: i will have to write down hours I am working on a project
<SachaS> plus some description
<SachaS> then end of the month
<SachaS> i have to print an invoice
* holycow suggests looking at gnotime tracker
<holycow> in terms of how they did it to compare
<SachaS> with all hours summed up and multiplied by a hourly rate.
<kilo> $5.000/h ? 8-))
<SachaS> holycow ok will do that.
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<SachaS> so kilo: i would need some packages like: project (description, notes, todo), customer (client, contacts), billing, accounts receivable :)
<kilo> ok, we can share that work
<SachaS> ok.
<SachaS> sounds good to me.
<SachaS> maybe I can start tuesday morning.
<SachaS> or with some planning on tomorrow and sunday
<holycow> do check out gnotime tho, they have most of that very well worked out
<holycow> except for some stupid ui issues
<SachaS> holycow ... so maybe a gnue-appserver interface would be good for gnotime ...
<SachaS> the idea is to reuse things, right.
<SachaS> on one hand this sounds good
<SachaS> on the other hand having those tools in gnue would be good as well
<holycow> *nod* except that looking at how they built it... i'm not sure if it wouldn't be faster to just redo it... they only save to an xml file :/
<SachaS> defenitely worth discussing
<holycow> if you don't build it i will anyway somewhere down the line :) ehe
<SachaS> ehe :)
<SachaS> ok got to go for a while
<holycow> later
<reinhard> fyi
<reinhard> i will probably play around with accounting during my holidays
<kilo> mazochist
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<reinhard> kilo: lol
<kilo> did you tell Sabine that you will play around with accounting during holidays? 8-))
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> that's why she takes 4 books to read with her ;)
<kilo> rotfl
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<johannesV> btami: i'd like to have that image.gfd so i can check images in gtk2
<johannesV> since the release of common and forms is done, i'll commit the gld stuff tonight or tomorrow ...
<johannesV> but for now i've to leave
<johannesV> bbl
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<chillywilly> whaddup nickr ?
<jcater> yo chilly
<chillywilly> yo
<chillywilly> hungry...
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<jproby> hi
<jproby> I have a little problem with cvs version of GNUe Schema Scripter
<jproby> it seems that 'time' type is translated in '1-01-01 hh:mm:ss' (for postgres)
<jproby> where should i look for the code ? I haven't found the pb in the schema directory of gnue-common
<reinhard> jproby: "time" support is very bad in gnue
<reinhard> because we use mxDateTime and that library has no support for a time type without date
<jproby> it is used in the sample for gnue-appserver 
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> for completeness
<reinhard> postgres even is able to swallow that 1-01-01 date
<reinhard> at least with psycopg
<jproby> I get 'ERROR:  Bad time external representation '1-01-01 19:00:00''
<jproby> I'll have to look what library I use :o
<jproby> I do use psycopg
<jproby> isn't the code responsible for this should be in scripter/processor dir ?
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<johannesV_> that time-stuff is done by datasources.DBSIG2.Connection._makeparam
<johannesV_> where a mx.DateTime.DateTimeDelta gets converted using the drivers Timestamp () function
<johannesV_> and the date-part is assumed to be 1/1/1
<johannesV_> but the main problem is, there's no explicit time-type available
<johannesV_> reinhard: are you still there ?
<reinhard> from time to time
<reinhard> running around in the house
<reinhard> and from time to time looking at the screen
<johannesV_> ah, ok
<johannesV_> so if i commit the gld-stuff right now you would take it with you ... :)
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> I will update my notebook tomorrow
<johannesV_> ok
<whizman> the Win32 executable installer releases use which UI driver?
<johannesV_> ok, first version of gld is out, dtd's and docs will follow ...
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<SachaS> gld = gnue layout descriptionj?
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<jcater> SachaS: label, iirc
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<SachaS> is that the dynamic forms generation?
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<whizman> (answering my own question: gnue-forms-0.5.5-debug.exe seems to have win32 uidriver)
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<derek> well if nothing else new CIO has ditched m$ products for reverse proxy and just purchased two Sun machines to run apache 
<reinhard> just to be curious
<reinhard> did you in the US hear about the Munich chaos here?
<SachaS> i did (non us)
<reinhard> SachaS: yes, I think I remember somehow from the very back of my brain that you are non US
<reinhard> ;-))
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<ajmitch> morning
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<reinhard> good morning ajmitch
<SachaS> morning ajmitch
<ajmitch> reinhard: I'll hopefully find time to package in the next couple of days :)
<reinhard> that's great
<reinhard> i've read something about an upload stop mid august
<reinhard> kinda freeze for sarge
<ajmitch> yep
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<whizman> in question/curious above, i assume reinhard is talking about ... http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49735 ... then the answer to the curiosity is - yes, i read about that on Groklaw (in english) (i'm in California, US)
<SachaS> night
* SachaZzzz is away: away
<reinhard> whizman: exactly that
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<kilo> night
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<whizman> could someone please tell me:  Is it possible to reference a label's attributes from a trigger?
<whizman> and if so, would you be able to point to an example?  I am trying to do something to the effect of:
<whizman> print blkPROPERTIES.lblCity.text, " = ", blkPROPERTIES.fldCity.get()
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<jcater> whizman, you are wanting to change a label's value?
<jcater> if so, look at field's style="label"
<jcater> looks identical to a label on screen, but with the attributes of a field
<whizman> jcater:  actually, i do not need to change a label's value/text - I am looking into printing (in the printer/dead-tree media sense)
<whizman> i suppose field style="label" would solve that too - that would give me a short-term solution for present need - for a full solution for printing, we
<whizman> 'd people be able to use the labels produced by form wizard, and include such in printouts, one way or another.
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<ajmitch> did anyone test gnue-forms 0.5.7 before it was released? :)
<ajmitch> the tarball doesn't seem to build very well here...
<ajmitch>   File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/common/setup/GSetup.py", line 257, in allfiles
<ajmitch>     return [directory + "/" + file for file in os.listdir (directory) \
<ajmitch> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'images/macosx'
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<ajmitch> aha
<ajmitch> just the man I was looking for 
<ajmitch> see logs
<ajmitch> images/macosx seems to be missing in the forms 0.5.7 tarball
<ajmitch> 0.5.6, sorry
<ajmitch> too many similar numbers
<ajmitch> bbl
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<jcater> ajmitch, who are you talking to?
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