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<reinhard> off to customer
<reinhard> bye
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<lekma> hi all
<lekma> which xmlrpc lib is advised for appserver?
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<btami> lekma: pw_xmlrpc
<btami> it's in Python 2.3
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<btami> appserver nedds some fix with py_xmlrpc, see yesterday logs...
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<dimas> btami: some fix was done by reinhard yesterday
<dimas> so i would use py_xmlrpc
<btami> is it ok now?
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<SachaS> good morning
<johannesV> good morning
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<SachaS> i dont feel like working :)
<kilo> good morning
<btami> good morning
<kilo> SachaS: iirc you mentioned a guy who could provide some hr info in your country
<kilo> what was the outcome of that thread? i dont remember
<SachaS> kilo: yeah i have not heard of him anymore
<SachaS> :(
<SachaS> actually he is an accountant
<SachaS> and knows about hr as he does hr (paying salaries, social payments etc) for companies
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<kilo> accountant? is that some weird illness? 8-)))
<kilo> we were discussing with btami where we could find info about HR systems in different countries
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> i can pass you his email if you want
<kilo> as we feel that hungarian hr is way too much specialized
<SachaS> its for liechtenstein :) very important to support this fine country. alot of users here :)
<SachaS> it has only 30'000 people so its important to support it :)
<SachaS> i am kidding
<SachaS> yeah i heard that hr is ... not easy
<kilo> hr even means very different thing for americans than here
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<SachaS> kilo: i might have a good planning tool: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/index.html
<SachaS> i am playing with it
<dimas> btami: seems so, i would test more end of the week and weekend
<SachaS> mind mapping
<kilo> mind mapping is not good for me, you can only map what exists 8-)))
<SachaS> so you could map your hr mind and communicate it to us
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> true :)
<kilo> btw does liechtenstein have its own currency? or use swiss franc?
<SachaS> swiss francs
<SachaS> we just have gold coins :)
<SachaS> gold nuggets
<SachaS> if you go to a backery to get a bread you have to pay one gold nugget
<SachaS> :)
<kilo> you have to pay in the bakery? damn... 8-))
<lekma> DB001: 0:00:20.840 [ServerAdapter:452] Unexpected Exception in XML-RPC code: exceptions.OverflowError:long int exceeds XML-RPC limits
<lekma> does anybody understand this?
<lekma> xml rpc server doesn't like bigint?
<wt> looks to me that XML-RPC doesn't allow long int types
<lekma> yeah it seems
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<jfontan> hello
<jfontan> anyone working on LCG?
<dimas> LCG?
<jfontan> LHCb Computing Grid
<jfontan> I know that it has nothing to do with gnuenterprise
<jfontan> but I found people talking about lcg in a log of this channel
<jfontan> google
<dimas> :)
<jfontan> I can be mistaken
<dimas> who was involved in the discussion?
<jfontan> they could be talking about some other thing also called LCG
<jfontan> derek
<jfontan> mentioned it
<dimas> he is the primary speaker
<jfontan> heh
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<wt> bordom
<wt> bordom
<kilo> sunshine
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<wt> boredom
<wt> gnue-common needs to release a new version with the renamed and new tools
<wt> plllllllllease
<wt> why doesn't the dcl thing work?
<wt> all kinds of SQL and errors on the screen
<wt> well....DCL seems totally and completely F'ed
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<derek> wt the database got upgraded
<derek> and we never restored the data
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<reinhard> doh
<reinhard> double doh
<reinhard> gnuenterprise.at was registered by a domain grabber
<reinhard> didn't realize that we are *that* popular
<nickr> IY hate those guys
<jamest> :(
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<chillywilly> bitches
<nickr> anus
<chillywilly> the domain grabbers are bitches
<nickr> oh
<chillywilly> then again so are you nickr
<nickr> oh
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<reinhard> is anybody aware of a gnome integrated messaging client that does irc *and* jabber?
<nickr> gaim?
<reinhard> looks good
<reinhard> thanks nickr
<johannesV> reinhard, seems as if i broke designer today
<reinhard> johannesV: that was about time
<reinhard> ;-)
<johannesV> well, actually i haven't time to rebuild it using gtk2 :))
<johannesV> but the latest changes in GFInstance broke it
<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> this will mean 2 things probably
<reinhard> 1. we will have to fix it again
<reinhard> 2. we will have to release designer along with the next release
<reinhard> but how did you see it at all?
<reinhard> don't tell me you *use* designer!
<reinhard> ;-)
<johannesV> no, i don't use designer
<johannesV> but as i was removing obsolete imports from the postgresql-base-driver
<johannesV> i was curious how to 'shorten' the introspection- and creator-module-paths
<johannesV> best way to verify that discovery works well is designer :)
<johannesV> maybe not *best* but simple
<johannesV> anyway, what do you mean with 1.) fix it again ?
<reinhard> well, fix it
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> for the logs
<johannesV> fix it in designer,
<johannesV> i think i can do that
<reinhard> i don't mean to say people shouldn't use designer
<reinhard> i just wanted to express that i know johannesV ditches every other software engineering tool if he can have vi :-)
<jcater> reinhard: good recovery
<reinhard> johannesV: yes fix it in designer
<reinhard> jcater: seriously
<reinhard> my opinion about designer is like your opinion on appserver
<reinhard> it's a really cool and amazing tool
<reinhard> that i will probably not use very much
<reinhard> :)
<jcater> lol
<jcater> fwiw
<jcater> I saw someone talking about doing some standalone designer tool for appserver files
<jcater> it is very easy to add new document types to designer
<jcater> esp. if we the document is based on GParser
<jcater> we=the
<johannesV> yeah, i didn't liked that idea of another wx-design-tool for gcd-files anyway
<reinhard> which it is
<reinhard> (gcd based on GParser that is)
<johannesV> i'm thinking about a vim-plugin for g*d-files ... *lol*
<johannesV> jk
<reinhard> johannesV: why not?
<reinhard> I think we want to have that at some point
<johannesV> yeah, right, at some point
<reinhard> ok :)
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<jcater> fwiw
<jcater> it shouldn't be *too* hard to modify the create-dtd script
<jcater> to create vim resource files
<jcater> of course
<jcater> "it shouldn't be *too* hard to ..."
<reinhard> jcater: what we are talking about
<jcater> ...famous last words
<reinhard> is syntax highlighting and indenting
<jcater> yeah
<johannesV> jcater, what a great idea !
<jcater> fwiw, I use both vim and designer too
<reinhard> so for all g*d files you have xml syntax highlighting and indenting rules
<johannesV> havent't thought about adding something like that to gnue-dtd
<reinhard> but for the python code embedded in triggers or procedures we'd want python syntax highlighting and indenting
<reinhard> not sure what that would have to do with the dtd at all
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<johannesV> reinhar1, jcater: i've fixed GFInstance, so we *don't* need a change in designer
<reinhard> johannesV: even better :)
<johannesV> hmm
<johannesV> since i've installed my machine with a sarge-netinst
<johannesV> my wx-apps are using a *damn* small font
<johannesV> is there anything i can do about that ?
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<johannesV> i've installed the following packages (regarding wx):
<johannesV> ii  libwxgtk2.4    2.4.2.6
<johannesV> ii  libwxgtk2.4-py 2.4.2.6
<johannesV> is there a package missing ?
<jcater> johannesV: the newer X debian packages try to figure out your X Window's DPI
<reinhard> i have the same
<jcater> but if you use a smaller monitor w/high resolution
<jcater> it guesses grossly wrong
<jcater> proper fix is to add a DisplaySize xdpi ydpi option to the Monitor section of your X config file
<jcater> e.g., DisplaySize 96 96
<jcater> this bit me with a recent upgrade wrt OpenOffice for my users
<johannesV> hmm, i'm using a 17" tft with 1152x864
<jcater> they started bitching that the menu fonts got really small
<johannesV> yeah, exactly the symptom
<jcater> or if you run startx manually
<jcater> I think you can pass a -dpi setting to it
<johannesV> Option          "DisplaySize"   "96 96"
<johannesV> is that correct ?
<johannesV> or is it "96x96" ?
<jcater> of course, a short-term fix is to add gtk-font-name "Sans 12" to your .gtkrc file
<jcater> iirc, the former is correct
<johannesV> ok
<jcater> i.e., with the space
<johannesV> i'll restart my x now
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<reinhard> nickr: seems like i was too unspecific :(
<reinhard> actually i am looking for a gnome integrated tool that can do irc and *encrypted* jabber
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<dpr> lo guys, just wanted to know if the mysql provider driver is working properly?
<dpr> 'cause i'm having problems getting gnue-designer to connect to it
<dpr> my mysqld, that is
<reinhard> it has been reported to work from several other people
<reinhard> however i don't use it myself
<dpr> reinhard: gnue-designer doesn't throw any errors, but the schema doesn't show any tables and nor am I able to get past the first screen in the datasource wizard
<dpr> i click Continue but it doesn't advance
<dpr> if i changed from using postgres to mysql.. would i have needed to do anything other than just alter connections.conf ?
<reinhard> reinhard: uh oh
<reinhard> err
<reinhard> dpr: uh oh
<reinhard> designer with mysql
<reinhard> not exactly my field of special knowledge...
<reinhard> dpr: provided that you have a running pgsql database
<reinhard> no
<kilo> reinhard: iirc there is a tool named Gabber, i think it is on sourceforge
<reinhard> nothing more
<dpr> reinhard: why would i need a running pgsql database if i'm using mysql now?
<reinhard> kilo: from what i found out that only does jabber, no irc
<kilo> oh, ok
<reinhard> dpr: sorry, i misread your question
<reinhard> forget what i said :)
<dpr> oh, heh
<dpr> okay
<dpr> i wish i could try and work out what the problem is
<reinhard> i thought you want to change from mysql to pg
<reinhard> but you *did* change from pg to mysql
<dpr> yeh, i *did* :P
<reinhard> what version are you using?
<dpr> the latest
<dpr> of mysql?
<dpr> or designer?
<reinhard> i'm not sure if there was any change in introspection support of mysql
<reinhard> designer and gnue-common
<dpr> oh, common - 0.5.7 and designer - 0.5.4
<dpr> my mysql isn't the latest, it's 4.0.20
<dpr> i c 4.0.21 has been released recently
<reinhard> that shouldn't matter at all AFAICT
<dpr> yeh, that's what i thought
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I hope I didn't break johannes' X
<reinhard> jcater: i don't think
<reinhard> i guess i would have him on the phone already if you did ;-)
<reinhard> however all his servers have a cron job to shutdown automatically in the evening
<reinhard> his wife forced him to do this so he doesn't work all night
<reinhard> j/k
<reinhard> ;-)
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> my wife would like to do that I'm sure
<reinhard> well j/k about the wife
<reinhard> not about the cron job, that's true
<jcater> lol
<jcater> reminds me of my old SCO machine from many years ago
<jcater> so damn unstable
<reinhard> only a single machine of his (IIRC) 3 or 4 servers stays on
<jcater> that I hardcoded a reboot every midnight
<reinhard> and 7:30 in the morning that one machine wakes the others via wol
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<reinhard> he's a true hacker :)
<dpr> reinhard: what db r u using?
<reinhard> postgres
<reinhard> however i am quite confident that mysql should really work
<dpr> yeh
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<dpr> hmm.. weird
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<dpr> i worked out the problem
<dpr> the mysql provider requires mysql-python
<dpr> and it's not listed in the install documentation
<dpr> u guys might wanna add it
<reinhard> ergh
<reinhard> and you didn't get a traceback?
<reinhard> or another error message?
<dpr> nope
<dpr> nothing
<dpr> would b nice if it'd come up and said, "oops, can't find mysql-python!" :P
<wendall911> dpr: It is a dependency of other packages.
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<reinhard> did you get a "Unable to connect to ..." message on the console?
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<chillywilly> reinhard: what's wol?
<reinhard> wake on lan
<chillywilly> ooooh
<chillywilly> nifty
* chillywilly somestimes cannot expand such TLAs
<chillywilly> ;P
<dpr> reinhard: nope
<dpr> didn't get an unable to connect message
<dpr> wendall911: i can't understand why, if it's a dependency of other packages, gentoo wouldn't have emerged it?
<dpr> i presume it's an error on gentoo's part
<reinhard> dpr: no
<reinhard> dpr: it's a bug in gnue
<wendall911> dpr: I run gentoo and I follow the docs and works fine for me...maybe I already had the lib installed
<reinhard> gentoo packaging can't know what db you are going to configure in your connections.conf
<reinhard> so python-mysql *can't* be a dependency of gnue
<reinhard> and designer should give a meaningful error message
<dpr> reinhard: i understand, but they should put in the documentation that if you intend to use mysql
<dpr> you will need mysql-python
<reinhard> maybe that
<reinhard> but *still* gnue should give you an error message :)
<dpr> i agree with that too
<dpr> :)
<wendall911> dpr: reinhard is the one who would know ;)
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<dpr> guys, how would i go about creating a button to clear all the entry fields on a page?
<jcater> just create a button, and create an On-Action trigger that does a block.clear()
<jcater> if I remember correctly
<dpr> jcater: is it a python script?
<dpr> i mean, do i put that in a python script?
<jcater> triggers are python scripts, yes
<jcater> it's not in an external file though
<dpr> well, under on-action .. i have to select a trigger
<dpr> i presume i select, "custom trigger"
<dpr> ?
<jcater> yes
<dpr> then i create a trigger?
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<dpr> jcater: where do i edit the custom trigger?
<reinhard> aaaaaahhhhhhhh
<reinhard> there's nothing better than a fine port
<reinhard> :)
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<dpr> reinhard: i'm having a problem with buttons
<dpr> i select custom trigger
<dpr> then under events->on-action
<dpr> what is the name/ source trigger?
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<reinhard> dpr: please don't laugh
<reinhard> i don't use designer at all
<reinhard> i write all gfd files by hand
<reinhard> i hope jcater or somebody else will answer your question
<reinhard> apart from that it's midnight here
<reinhard> and even if i *used* designer i'm not sure i'm in a state i could be of much help ;-)
<dpr> hehe
<dpr> well, perhaps u can help me with this crash:
<dpr> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 303, in activateForm
<dpr> DB000:     form = self._formsDictionary[formName]
<dpr> DB000: KeyError: '__main__'
<reinhard> when does this happen?
<dpr> when i execute the program, just after i've filled in the database login credentials
<dpr> i'm using gnue-forms to parse the xml file
<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> that's *very* strang
<dpr> or gfd file
<reinhard> strange
<reinhard> erm
<reinhard> dpr: where are you from?
<dpr> well, i was born and bred in south africa, but i moved to texas in January
<reinhard> so it's afternoon for you
<reinhard> if you don't get any help here in this channel before you go to bed
<reinhard> please mail the gfd to reinhard@gnue.org
<dpr> k, will do
<reinhard> and i will try to reproduce while you sleep
<reinhard> and come back tomorrow
<reinhard> i *must* go to bed
<reinhard> or i will hit the keyborad with my head
<reinhard> and fall asleeeeeetazop tgtgtpfzhzzgtzgtzgtzhfgtzhgtgtgtgtggtgtgzg
<reinhard> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
<reinhard> ;-)
<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> buuuurp
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<chillywilly> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/live-bookmarks.html <-- that's pretty cool
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<bjoerns> is gnue ready for use?
<bjoerns> we're a services organization looking for a comprehensive ERP/project management system
<bjoerns> something like www.project-open.com...
<bjoerns> project-open requires AOLserver and Oracle (for now), which is not very ideal
<bjoerns> does GNU AppServer use an existing Python server framework, e.g., medusa or twisted?
<jcater> if you are looking for an out-of-the-box ERP solution, then no, gnue is not ready for use
<jcater> if you are looking for tools to build your own
<jcater> then GNUe is pretty far along and used by several companies
<bjoerns> well, i'm looking for something that won't require more than a few weeks to get up and working
<jcater> we leverage as much of python as we can
<bjoerns> that's great, we're a heavy user of python too
<jcater> then I'd say we're probably not where you'd want us to be
<bjoerns> i was thinking of building our own system, but i'd much rather pool efforts with others
<bjoerns> it's a big undertaking
<jcater> yes, it is
<bjoerns> and by ourselves we'd only be able to make something that solved our most important problems
<bjoerns> it seems ERP systems are either focused towards manufacturing (products) companies or towards services (projects) companies...  how does gnue compare?
<bjoerns> we've built an e-commerce website that has some built-in ERP functions.  we created an app server using twisted, which we communicated with using REST.  how can you communicate with the gnue app server?
<bjoerns> (REST = XML objects over HTTP, usually cacheable)
<jcater> right now the main method is xmlrpc
<bjoerns> what's the server framework then?  medusa or twisted?
<jcater> python
<jcater> 's builtin xmlrpc and forking support
<bjoerns> yes, both are python frameworks
<bjoerns> threaded?
<jcater> async, iirc
<jcater> I have to run... getting late
<bjoerns> okay, thx
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