see yas *** SachaS has quit IRC *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise hi all does svn work? *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise johannes@chicago:~/prj/gnue$ svn update Password: svn: Berkeley DB error while opening environment for filesystem /var/svn/gnue/db: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery can anyone fix that svn ? *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise morning hi btami hi johannesV *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise good morning svn is up again ah johannesV: ssh to gnuenterprise.org, then type 'svnadmin recover gnue' oh, ok, thanks everyone can do that, iirc if he has right to login to ssh *** agx has joined #gnuenterprise Morning, need help with gnue-form, anybody already asleep? :-) or if he has commit rights dunno exactly, its late night...or early morning... agx: ask! * btami ducks johannesV: how to revoke my latest commit from svn? dunno ... but maybe you can 're-checkout' a revision (svn up --revision=..) and the recommit it .. hmmm, i mis-committed some gcd files, i will commit a newer version of them soon, so that noone would note 8-))) How to get rid of the default menu' and toolbar of a form created with gnue-designer? *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise form.setFeature ('GUI:MENUBAR:SUPPRESS', True) form.setFeature ('GUI:TOOLBAR:SUPPRESS', True) form.setFeature ('GUI:STATUSBAR:SUPPRESS', True) add something like that to the form (before the logic) johannesV: have you read my bugreport in yesterday log ? btami, no, sorry search for ******* ********************* johannes, please read the above lines in the log ********************** :) reinhard: morning ;-) i've used a lot yesterday gnue-designer and gnue-navigator How to get rid of the default menu' and toolbar of a form created with gnue-designer? btami, i'll check gnue-schema this morning agx: use the line johannesV has pasted earlier s/line/lines ah sorry, i didn't understand he was talking to me! :-P ok what about customizing it? There is some docs? johannesV: thx johannesV: and what do you think about supporting some way default character set when creatiing new db ? there are no docs in GNUe. We use all the knowledge of the whole universe 8-))) hmmm....strange no commit from jamest since i left i got a commit message from jamest (a fix in GBaseApp) would this mean he was able to sort out everything? johannesV: that was before I left ah, ok sorry :) kilo: i see... a lot of empty documents well, aside of joking, forms' devguide is quite good and thorough kilo: i do not agree it's really difficult to understand it without IRC support. yes, but kilo is here :) blame james derek ?????? no, blame derek well, till this february there use to be kernel traffic issues, that also helps, if you read them ROFL i have some doubt, is it five years you all are developing GNUe? not me... BTW where is the doc for customizing thos GUI:MENUBAR and GUI:TOOLBAR and GUI:STATUSBAR object? in james' head ithink A suggestion, if i may: people inside the project need API doc, people outside the project need quick tutorial to quickly understand. If you do not make tutorial first people will download it, will try it, and will leave it and you also loose a chance to attract new developers. :-) true. doc job assigned to agx 8-)))) kilo: well that's not good right now; i'm evaluating to suggest company in Italy starting developing using GNUe for they application... but more i used more i need a lot of problem :-P kilo: if i finally decide to use GNUe i'll help surely ok, dont want to turn you down. imho GNUe is quite ready for production. Its version numbers are too small considering its maturity. 2-tier apps can be developed and used easily. Reinhard will tell if he advises appserver to be used in production or not. i use it in production imho it can be used, yes yes, but how can i tell other people that use Win, VB, Visual Studio, Java Enterprise, WebSphere to use it? I'am having a lot of problem my self :-* sorry if it isn't clear, i'm not very good at english you will need about 1-2 weeks to get accustomed to it. i use win, vb, and v.studio also. and when you get accustomed to it, you will develop apps presto possibile kilo: i hope so ;-) well let's start so to understand i have downloaded the source via SVN since Debian packages are discouraged by reinhard i've tried into gnue-common directory the command ./setup.py install --help that's the result: agx@nb:/home/agx/gnue.svn/gnue-common$ sh 0INSTALL.sh Traceback (most recent call last): File "./setup.py", line 175, in ? from distutils.core import setup ImportError: No module named distutils.core do i need some apt-get install ??? try 'setup-cvs.py' instead kilo: ok, pythoin 2.2 or python 2.3 (I'm taking notes for my further DOC-JOB *g*) i suggest 2.3 agx: success? kilo: yes, sorry, i'm at work and i'm also managing to organize the 4th Italian Linux Day :-) oh, ok. kilo: yes it worked "out of the box" i have /home/myaccount/gnue.bin filled in with symlinks to the SVN sources binaries don't you need guests with full accomodation? 8-)) kilo: nope, it's decentralized kilo: i mean is not a single event! we group togheter all the italian lugs and we do everybody the same day the same event into 100 cities :-))))) ah, damn... i know a good restaurant in Capri... and in Firenze... and in Rome... and in Napoli... and in Milano... kilo: target is the normal people that use windows at home, we try to spread linux and libre software to the mass kilo: good restaurants? me too :-P kilo: i work near Rome and leave near Naples, if you are around i'll pay the restaurnat for you :-) hmmm, beware, beware well i'll bring with me my laptopn and will ask you to develop something with GNUe in front of me :-P BTW talks on GNUe are not in topics with this event (IMVHHHHHHHHHHO) because we try to spread to non-technical people hmmm, so to get a free italian lunch i need to tell my wife that i am needed as a technical consultant in italy.. 8-))) kilo: if i'll let those people understand that GNUe is the right tool i'll have a budget to invite some GNUe developer in Italy for an official presentation. The goal of my customer is to develop a Software Libre ERP packages tailored for the italian marked. I'll already speaked about this to Reinhard. yes, i've read that in yesterdays irc log. sounds interesting kilo: yes because there are MONEY involved *g* i'm tired of developing for food :-P kilo: it's all part of the no-profit activity i'm involved in Italy as member of the no-profit ILS (www.linux.it) i've another goal this month i'm going to have a big italian hardware relesser to produce PC with Debian pre-installed (or maybe a customized Knoppix) BTW i have the gdes from svn up and running now :-) advice for gdes> save often i've created a testdb detabase with a zipcode table and 2 fields in it: 1) zip code primary key char(5) 2) city char(80); i've created a datasource, i've created a block, inside the page block i've added 2 label and 2 entry; i'm going to run the form... gfcvs yourform.gfd ah... doesn't work from gdes? i'm getting this DB000: SAXParseException: :1:1: not well-formed (invalid token) no, dont run it from gdes. leave gdes and type use gfcvs yourform.gfd btw it is simpler to use the wizard to create forms kilo: trying form wizard kilo: 2 db question: 1) how to avoid typing everythime the Database Password 2) how to avoid to see all the postgresql internal tables into the combobox? dunno, i dont use postgresql maybe you can set db user and pwd in connection.conf re 2nd question: ask johannesV * btami and kilo are using firebird here * agx think now came the HARD part :-) wizard work exaclty how i have in mind for the page, the problem is about the how the user iteract with it i've a list of empty rows arranged onto 2 columns: i would like to go onto entering the next record and automatically save the previous one aftering leaving the second column. it is not saved until you push the Save button so you can revert anything you edited kilo: hehehehe that's wrong for me kilo: i mean for large data entry of big empty tables, that's wrong ;-) it's good when preparing an invoice but not in my case kilo: can i put a trigger somewhere? well i think so. to put a trigger on the second entry that commits changes when you leave the entry what type of app it would be? post focus out? hmm, yes, maybe kilo: i have to enter all the italian zip codes from scratch (8000 rows), but it's just an example agx: maybe there's a trigger in the block that gets fired when the record pointer is moved yes but i need to trigger it when the user press ENTER or TAB to leave the last field what does enter on the second column now do? on my trigger: check vars + commit changes + start editing with a new record ah enter does go back to the first column, but on the same line ok, then block trigger won't work blocks have pre-focusout kilo: but the focusout won't happen :) he Pre-FocusOut trigger is executed as a different record is about to be focused in a block. This may be triggered by a user navigating to a different record or by creating a new record. The actual record change has not occurred when this trigger is fired. yeah - with tab or enter, i stay in the same record hmm, yes, maybe i mean, there is a trigger for the entry field that can be used? isn't there a onfocusout or like that for the entry, too? there is a PRE-FOCUSOUT and a POST-FOCUSOUT trigger for the entry for the entry, yes, there is there is also a ON-NEXT-ENTRY which is only fired when you press enter or tab ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL block properties: Auto Next Record? (while the focusout triggers are also fired when you move the focus with the mouse) hu? cool you can learn something new every day :) * agx think that is talking to the wrong peoples :-))))))))))))))))))))))))) yes it worked exactly how i want WONDERFULL!!! jamest and jcater are the forms and designer gurus and you can blame derek anytime... but they are u.s. so they sleep now :) ah, sorry, dind't want make fun of you! just happy!!! agx: and the data does automatically get comitted, too? reinhard: yes, with the block's properties auto commit doh *** support has joined #gnuenterprise /msg reinhard we just think about agx putting in 8000 zip codes and we do ROFL too 8-)))) hehe kilo: i'm not REALLY doing that!!! it's just to explain you a real life example! :-P agx: when you do that, do many backups :)) agx: ah ok, just joking agx: we took that serious at least me *** support has quit IRC i did not reinhard: i'll ready have that data stolen from other softwares :-P well *somebody* once had to do it :) reinhard: but in my first job 12 years ago, our data entry people have to insert 65.000 prices of spare parts each 3 months :-) they fill in all the records and we send out DBFs 1.44MB diskette via normal mail for updating the DB of our software so i really know how frustating is for that people to use software not designed for them hello hi ajmitch_ *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise hello everyone ajmitch_: did i already tell you that you could close the two bugs for gnue-forms? reinhard: yes are you sure that both bugs can be closed? one is mainly about an encoding bug in a comment in the cursing lib yes neither the cursing lib nor the rest of the code of the curses interface of that version is used any more alright curses ui has been entirely rewritten will close thanks :) thanks too :) btw I just had an interesting phone call with ifo.net it's an austrian company doing link portals oh? they have registered gnuenterprise.at, gnue.at and gnuenterprise.net reinhard: is there a way to retrieve the username of a user session? they have set up link portals at those addresses where people can register links etc. lekma: not yet, that will be part of the admin interface where you can retrieve info like current username, number of active connections, etc. hmmm, i have a time stamping problem then date and user of record creation and last modification will be automatically registered with appserver 0.3 in case you need that the application goes live on 01/01/2005 reinhard: what is this link portal? (while 0.2 is going to leave the door this weekend) yay, fresh code what's new in 0.2 only appserver release? cause packaging for gentoo takes a little bit of testing time... you test packages? ;) before i publish them, yes * ajmitch_ usually finds it hard to test appserver since I don't really use it is there a nice test suite around somewhere? (one that I don't have to write) not that i know, when i say i test it's just building aal packaged tools, and verifying that they are all where they should be reinhard: and what was the conclusion of the phone call? and i test gnue db creation for appserver lekma: ah... that's fairly simple compared to running test forms, etc yeah there's the derek form i should have said i just poke a little bit at them I mean gauntlet ?? I don't know if derek has had a chance to abuse appserver yet? gnue-samples/testcases/forms/gauntlet/gauntlet.gfd lekma: it will be common, forms, and appserver and re: the phone call sigh a new form of spamming? :) well the gauntlet form works fairly well on win32 sorry, i'm on #linux-it, everybody is getting crazy downloading a new distro :-) agx: which one? re: the phone call they want gnuenterprise.net to be a place for the community like a slashdot for gnuenterprise or what they bought up gnuenterprise.net? they will offer subdomains like bytewise.gnuenterprise.net for EUR 1,- per month ajmitch_: yes hmm and they will donate www.gnuenterprise.[net|at] to the community at no cost that's not so bad :) they do stuff like that for a lot of other things too like many (if not most) cities in styria (where they are) so actually i have to take back that they are domain grabbers *somehow* they are indeed but they do good things with the domains they have :) but not in a real bad way ajmitch_: just a moment ajmitch_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ we also put a mirror in Italy yeah, I thought it might be the ncurses backend works only from the linux console. If i use putty+ssh it looks weird. any clue? agx: i use it with putty+ssh as well as with xterm reinhard: 80x24 and TERM=xterm? yes off now for real reinhard: well somethings wrong with my putty, some background colors appear some other not reinhard: well the form is working, that's enough for now i have the last 2 question for today and after all i'll leave you working :-) ... for today of course. 1) wich browser do i need for using the web interface? 2) my form starts empty, i want it populated with all the rows inserted (zipcode) 1) you need a browser from 2005 8-))) as the web interface wont work until then 8-))) btami: no offense agx: the web ui just started, nothing works yet... * agx thinks that kilo is tring to force him to kill btami.... *** lekma has quit IRC 2) there is a prequery attribute for datasources, if it is ="Y", then it will autopopulate the form agx: no, he is eating pizza... kilo: whole day? instead of coding? we have to put him on diet, so, right? * btami and kilo are in the same room :) diet? yes GNUe recipes: pizza with donut and whisky afterwards btami: need really to wait 2005? yes :))) :-(((( or feed btami more which web UI is this one, anyway? btami: php-forms also? oh nooo, i'm 81 kg i am 1 kg 1? agx: not, thats from siesel ajmitch_: yes kilo is singular :))))) kilogram, perhaps... btami: it is usable? kiloton? :) * ajmitch_ hasn't seen siesel around much latelt ajmitch_: no in italy 1 chilo (pronounced kilo) is the short name for 1 kilogram s/latelt/lately/ agx: usually in english as well :) agx: i know nothing about php-forms btami: ok i understand what you do the whole day :-P i'v committed some code to uidrivers/html thank's all, we'll see tomorrow, i hope to bring along a report of what learned btami: today? i downloaded 12 years ago not today but it's just a start my name initials are kg... btami: after svn update, what i have to run to regenerate the app (i installed them locally into my home using setup-csv.py) nothing all g* scripts in bin just symlinks sometimes theree is a need to re-run setup-cvs.py, but that is very rare johannesV: trying gfcvs -u gtk2 intro.gfd here i am :-) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/AntonioGallo clicking on second tab doesn't works until i change with keyb or with menu have i nice lunch and thank you all for the help!!!!!!!! *** agx has left #gnuenterprise johannesV: works for kilo, maybe my config has some non default... johannesV: if i try to run a form that does not exist, it gives me a coding error, not file not found *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise bbl *** btami has quit IRC kilo, thanks for that fix hehe, i was horrified to see an empty button after translating po files late night yesterday... :) *** kilo has quit IRC ok, so now i've time for gnue too ... :) *** gsoti_away has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has quit IRC *** jcater has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC *** jamest has quit IRC is it possible to have module independent messages? lekma: no lekma: the module is the entity that gets installed so every message has to be part of a module otherwise it wouldn't get isnstalled ever however you can access messages from "foreign" modules by fully qualifying the name modulename_messagename reinhard: ok reinhard: is there some documentation on how to use appserver? the docs section on the website seems to be missing a lot hi abort (message ('smthing')) is possible in bounded proc, right? dpr: i am about to write some docs lekma: yes and then the commit is rollbacked, correct? reinhard: oh, cool lekma: exactly if it is in OnValidate reinhard: ok thx ok, my stuff is commited reinhard, from my point of view you can release bbl johannesV_: excellent thanks reinhard: writing docs is your sisyphus torment it seems :-) *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** holycow has quit IRC are messages available in OnInit?? reinhard: i'm still having this weird crash and it seems that i only get it when i name the form if i don't give the form a name, it doesn't crash *** dpr has left #gnuenterprise *** dpr has joined #gnuenterprise *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise OnValidate is performed before or after nullable checks? *** holycow has quit IRC are there any good gnue examples out there? back for a second lekma: messages should be available everywhere in every trigger and procedure in generated forms a checkbox has no default value so when you don't change the state you get a None instead of False dpr: please give us more info lekma: nothing has a default value None is the default for all fields not sure if all checkboxes should default to False what would others think about this? but for a boolean it should be False sorrry too slow lekma: OnValidate checks are done after nullabele checks so in the OnValidate trigger you can rely on the non-nullable fields having a value reinhard: thx dpr: if you are looking for examples for gnue-forms there's a samples directory with lots of them reinhard: is there a command to bring up a dialog box with a message that returns true if a user clicks OK and false if a user clicks no/cancel or something like that? i've noticed showMessage, but it doesn't give the user an option reinhard: so is there a way to specify default values in gcd ? the other thing is, if i have a second form and i want to be able to click a button in the first form to bring up the second, i used form.setFocus(newPage) .. but then I get an error stating that newPage doesn't exist dpr: from the code I read that showMessage has a boolean "cancel" parameter but I don't know what happens when the user presses cancel s/know/remember/ showMessage only has an OK button? lekma: use OnInit dpr: use runForm or do u mean i should, showMessage("message", true) ? dpr: if you pass cancel=True, it will have Ok and Cancel buttons showMEssage("Message", cancel=True) oh, okay * reinhard wonders why all people ask him exclusively as if he wrote all of gnue reinhard: u're the brainy one and documentation isn't complete we don't have a choice :) * reinhard wonders why nobody asks jcater or jamest who actually wrote this stuff :) reinhard: because you are so helpful and smart and polite jcater: :P and geenrally just a great guy (am I buttering you up enough?)