*** holy_cow has quit IRC *** wendall911 has quit IRC *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise good morning good morning hello btami.. hello kilo.. hi ccfiel hi ccfiel the balnk in box labels bug fixed btami: ah..ok..ill try it..:) thanks to kilo thanks kilo..:) all i noticed was 'description' is just tha same length as ' california'... btami: it works..now.. :) ccfiel: you can join to #gnue-commits and/or subscribe to gnue-commits list ok, thx thanks btami and kilo.. ok ill...subcribe.. btami: i found a odd bug...:( when you delete a record lets say record number 3 after saving the changes.. record number 1 and the last record will be the same.. after saving.. (zipcode.gfd) moment, phone... johannesV: did you manage to edit the wiki? i haven't time to do so but i've found my wiki password again :) do gnue has a plugin tags? in which you can add xml tags with out compilng gnue. like petra http://petra.sourceforge.net/ ccfiel: no ic..:) btami: i have seen my post the odd bug? :) ccfiel: i can reproduce the bug, and seems it not ui dependent, gtk2 ui produces the same :( it's a forms bug imo ic..:( so its for jamest or jcater ? :) maybe johannesV can resolve it too johannesV ? ic :) is jahannvesV in here? :) *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise hello everyone hello lekma hi ccfiel hi lekma hi kilo how are ya tired... app ready? i have to finish this week the xul client nearly there i still got some trouble with master/detail oh what kind of then next week i'll some trainee build forms for everything s/i'll/i'll have and we start whith the erp things i have trouble making xul understand that there are more than one class in a form... i dont xul sorry, had a phone call nobody does johannesV: i you seen my post "odd bug"? :) lekma: are developing an ERP using gnue? :) ccfiel: a small one for the moment you mean that one with the record-positioning ? lekma: how was it? when you delete a record lets say record number 3 after saving the changes.. record number 1 and the last record will be the same.. after saving.. (zipcode.gfd) when deleting a record.. and btami confirm it..it was also found in the gtk.. he thinks its a bug in forms.. affirmative and he thinks johannesV can fix the bug..:) ccfiel: well the hard part is still in front of us as we didn't yet start with the erp 'core logic', but most of db is ready already /msg johannesV evil btami does things like this... lekma: are you planning to use appserver? i am lekma: thats good..now i good see gnue in work..:) lekma: would you release it as open? yep but it won't what you can call std it's really dedicated but we are competing for another bigger project lekma: ic..its ok.. i just want to see gnue at work in production.. ccfiel: well, or in gnue-common i would have to check it out, but i'm very busy with a customer atm jahannesV: ok..no probs..take ur time..:) johannesV: is a list refreshed automatically? ie if i delete or add an obj in a class are lists of this class refreshed automatically? i'm not sure. i think you would have to do another find first (if using language interface) oh another is what's the real difference between fetch and load beside the objid returned or not is one of them providing locking ? atm there's no locking but i've seen in the todo that there will be will one of them call be the one to provide it right, once there will be a method of locking as well as a form of transactions (other than those on the backend) difference btw. load and fetch: fetch: returns a list of geasInstance instances (of a given list-id) and load returns the data for a list of geasInstances johannesV: how do you call an appserver object's procedure from a form? create a datasource to the class with that procedure like dtsPerson ... datasource for address_person and then: dtsPerson.call ('name of the proc', params) ok, thx i think sample.gfd shows something like that does it? will look at it *** sjc has quit IRC *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise yes, it does... /msg kilo RTFM and drink your coffee... johannesV: at the time of a block's On-NewRecord trigger, am i right to suppose that the object behind the block is not existent yet? kilo: onNewrecord does *nothing* on appserver-side this is a known problem in forms ah so the new instance will be created on commit, and not earlier this is why OnInit-trigger of appserver's classes is executed at the wrong time so i cannot call an appserver object's function earlier... well, you can using the datasource-trick, but which will imply a select first (cause you can't execute on empty resultset) hmm, i see. bad news bbl *** btami has quit IRC *** lekma has quit IRC *** kilo has quit IRC *** sjc has quit IRC *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise hi everyone *** cilkay has quit IRC *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise hi SachaS *** johannesV has quit IRC *** dimas_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has quit IRC hi derek anyone know of any database migration tools? or is there any work started on a GNUe tool to do so? integrator perhaps? not me ot: can people resolv www.ajrs.com? *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise hi all jamest: can you look at the bug reported ccfiel (in today log) ? jamest: yep my internet kind blows right now bah... *** jcater_ has joined #gnuenterprise btami: in a moment thx can anyone paste the url why mysql sucks? http://www.postgresql.org/ http://openacs.org/why- not-mysql.html err http://openacs.org/why-not-mysql.html there was an url containing a list of mysql deficiencies or something... ah, yes, thy jcater thx mysql 5 does have stored procs ;P see yas later i just want to paste it in a forum, where a peop asked to suggest free rdbms to switch *** SachaS has quit IRC wth is openacs written in? tvl err tcl for real? I guess so HEH *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise that's umm, interesting yip that's pretty mental actually yip ;P has a huge loyal following though * jcater_ isn't one of them *** jcater has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise :-o wb *** jcater has quit IRC *** jcater__ has joined #gnuenterprise grrr jcater is having a case of split personality syndrome go away dammit can't you still kill your ghosts? tcl...wtf are they thinking... *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jcater *** jcater__ was kicked by jcater (jcater) *** jcater sets mode: -o jcater HEH ha! I won it's ok man you can stop kicking yourself just blame derek instead *** holycow has quit IRC *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has quit IRC *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has quit IRC *** holycow has quit IRC jcater, you there? maybe cool jcater, what's up? I got a job today yay FedEx a job at FedEx? yes doing what? distributed monitoring which means? aka...surfing the net and watching DVDs lol chillywilly, where are you? Hartland, WI at the moment you a gnue dev? contractor? nope nope what is your interest in gnue? he is an irc bum :) crap wt: good, get over here and integrate our internal systems with our fedex pc tom was going to do it but i prefer working with the freaks in here er, i mean people we need to support fedex on metalexpress.net jamest, what's wrong? nothing sometime soon fedex was going to integrate our system with their shipping computer free o charge don't do it ;) bah... I need to set cascading constraints on a bunch of shit http://www.fedex.com/globaldeveloper/shipapi/whitepaper.pdf?link=4 jamest: I did it at my old job with a small bash script jamest: and the pitney bowes machine also jamest: worst thing was that the pitney software ran under win95 jamest: just wrote a small c program to import and export fedex won't let us touch the pc that's why they do it jamest: that's what they told me too ;) lol i've plenty to do anyway so I welcome the free labor :) jamest: I needed it for automated shipping requests and I couldn't go to my board and say...well, I can't... any american developers in here? yeah, free labor is good developers of gnue? wt: a few? s/?// jamest and I jcater: I thought you were in canada anyone that does contract devel? wendall911: no, Tennessee jcater, I know you are in memphis or Mississippi ah, cool depending on if I'm at home or not :) jcater, I would like to actually meetup with you about gnue jbailey is the canadian ah the other j jcater, you interested in lunch next week? will have to play it by ear we're in our busy time at work okay (do 80% of our business in a 6-8 week period) oh fund raising season? yes you know, I hear being a salvation army collector is a good job pays 5.15/hr + tips c'mon people, work with me it's best to just ask questions and let ppl respond as they get back into irc irc is an asynchronous communication mechanism chillywilly: have a music server? * wendall911 is looking at rhthmbox um, no I dont't use rhythmbox don't even if it would burn audio cds I might use it supposedly there's some extension but I couldn't find it chillywilly: I see, what do you use? extension to burn audio cds xmms same here chillywilly: looking for one for the two internet cafes I have setup under Linux no incentive t switch ;) to*]dlfjsldkfjlskdjf chillywilly: working with xmms, but the interface is shitty it still has a gtk 1.x UI I use mserv wassat? which is a ui-less background music server cool but has a web management interface if you want it run our own IT "radio station" here I know havoc was using esd over the LAN ;P chillywilly: if the damn skins weren't in mini-mico, have to use a magnifying glass mode, and double size is pixelated, it would be fine, but I'd like to find a better interface anyway, looking at zinf now jcater: mserv...like it? wendall911: serves its purpose I just have a /misc/music directory w/a bunch of mp3s and it sees new ones if we save them there it just randomly plays music from there not sure what you're after but I have a cron job that has it start playing at 8:00am *** ccfiel has quit IRC and stops at 7:00pm and I haven't thought about it since been running for 3 or so yrs now not a lot of bells and whistles though jcater: sweet jcater: I could easily setup an icecast server for the office I've been meaning to check out other things jcater: but the internet cafe's have one machine for music and I'd like a bit nicer interface than xmms...I just installed it because it is what I personally use jcater: according to the mserv homepage, you can now stream it to an icecast2 server oh, sweet someone restarted development jcater: lots of gui interfaces also last time I checked (2 yrs ago) the developers abandoned it hopign someone would pick up the maintenance jcater: web, gtk, qt and winblows wendall911: what's particularly cool is its server runs a telnet server so you can telnet to mserv and tell it what song to play jcater: nice, I am going to have a serious look, I think it would be a perfect office solution mserv_irman Infra-red controller (Perl) This program allows you to control Mserv through an infra-red controller. It uses libirman. Written by David Brownlee. wow, it has lots of new features and since this is a debian sid machine I'm already up to date :-/ that's just sick I think I'll write one for a garage door opener too geek guess people must be using it for music servers quite a bit if there is remote control support *** wendall911 has quit IRC * derek ponders his garage door opener playing ogg tunes with my luck with computers i suspect i would end up with my car radio controlling my garage door my garage door controlling my car and my car controlling my radio * derek thinks its better for me to stay away from computers controllnig my home :) no home automation for you no with your luck w/computers you'd try to control your garage door w/your radio and your gas tank would explode oh, and then you'd call your lawn mower useless because of the errors w/the radio * jcater ducks *** cilkay has joined #gnuenterprise roflmao * derek notes i did recently replace the lawn mower derek: got a second for copyright assignment question? sure no clue how effective my answer will be (seems like forever since i dealt with the stuff) NCS has blanketly assigned copyright on GNUe work to FSF I've hired an assistant and will have him doing some gnue stuff on the clock does he need separate assignment since it's contract work for NCS? and NCS has already assigned copyright? ls oops no he does not need it in the past what we had been attempting to do was get corporate AND personal assignment mainly so there was no question about work done off the clock but also so if he left NCS but wanted to continue working on gnue he wouldnt be in copyright limbo until we filed paperwork rms hated this approach and really wanted individual copyright and corporate "disclaimer" but i think that was more because the copyright clerk didnt like filing paperwork :) that and at one point we had 3 or 4 corporations blanket copyright in same month and the clerk at the time had never dealt with it before so he was confused : *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise :) lol well, I think individual is a tad unrealistic if it's for corporation work *** jamest has quit IRC *** jcater has quit IRC *** wt has quit IRC *** MiXi has joined #gnuenterprise *** MiXi^ has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has quit IRC *** sjc has quit IRC *** ccfiel has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** cilkay has quit IRC *** ccfiel has quit IRC *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise