*** ccfiel has quit IRC *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise good morning good morning reinhard: i have a problem with creating gsetupdbcvs link in bin it was not created by setup-cvs.py first then i'v committed a patch in createShell(), but jason reverted it so now the gsetupdbscv is only a python skeleton script after setup-cvs.py *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise Guten Morgen everybody *** sjc has quit IRC btami: ah, yes, right thanks for reminding me *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise kilo: good morning hi reinhard how are you? fine, thanks i've edited the API texi source, i hope i did not do anything wrong... (finally again) i saw that what, you were ill? not enough whisky... :) btw can i access appserver's 'find' proc from within a form? and if yes, how? *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise and what is the state of list properties? i remember we discussed they were kind of wrappers around find() calls kilo: what you did in api.texi looks correct i'm just posting it to the website phew... so the updated docs should be online tomorrow (or even this afternoon for us) i do not think you can access "find" from within a form neither do i think you *should* do that on form level you work with your datasources list properties somehow magically disappeared from the roadmap i have no idea how that happened, think it must have been some kind of ...yes... magic i would like to automagically geenrate an invoice number, ie do a find on the invoices descending and increase the number from the first record kilo: that's a very error prone way to generate an invoice number first of all, invoice number generation most probably belongs into OnValidate triggers and you always have to take care what happens if 2 people write an invoice at the same time will that ...magic... make list properties reappear sometime? time will show yes, it would be only informational, just for display. you are right it's real place is onvalidate we have changed our roadmap in the past quite a few times what is the email of time, so i can access it? hi because actual needs were different from what we thought they would be what's up package devs? hi wt hi wt hi wt what's up fedex man? not much reinhard: ok, so i should bypass the problem, not solve 8-))) is there a script to setup the base package in the right order? the schemas and the other loaded things wt, what do you mean with the *right* order and what do you mean with base package? :) reinhard, johannesV: am i right that appserver objects only come to life on commit? kilo: right now, yes so i can not call an objects procedure until it is committed kilo: i've just talked to johannesV about changing this yes, i think it should be changed it's not that easy they should come to life earlier, commit is only persistance question as new, empty records are created in forms on a number of occasions loading the .gcd, .gcd, .gld, etc. in the right order so these objects should live, but they should not be affected by a commit why? for example for a datasource used in a dropdown forms and common create a new empty record when the dropdown is populated once you commit in the form you would commit that empty record from the dropdown, too the same goes for details in master-detail forms when you insert a new master silently a new detail record is inserted along with that which would be committed along with the master i see. but why is that empty record generated on dropdown population to have that empty line in the dropdown representing "None" (is my understanding) (btw i dont like that empty line at all...) so objects should have states? it seems we won't be able to fix this otherwise (this = object not available before commit) it's also a matter of when OnInit runs actually, OnInit should run when you hit the insert button in forms but now it runs when you hit the save button is it a kinda constructor? yes kinda to set default values for fields hmm, yes, then it should run earlier than commit hmmmhmmmhmmmmm *** ccfiel has joined #gnuenterprise hello pll.. :) hi ccfiel wt: you mean gnue-packages? hi ccfiel kilo, yes i would say they are infunctional atm btami: has the delete error resolve? :) hello kilo, btami :)P ccfiel: not yet, just passed to jamest... btami: ic..:) btami: can we have a bug tracker here in gnue? :) bbl pll.. *** ccfiel has left #gnuenterprise reinhard: in your opinion at what time would there be a resolution of this problem? (tomorrow? 8-))) ) kilo: you mean the OnInit problem? the point when objects start living? maybe next week or so yes, oh, wow eg it could solve the problem of generating total sums of invoice items for display but if it is only next week, i'll postpone that until then any objections against a release of gnue-common and gnue-appserver today? what is their po stat? s/stat/state? appserver: de 100% hu 100% common: same ok then foer me hmm wait johannesV's commit could have introduced new strings can you check in gnue-appserver? ok checking now seems like we also had string changes in gnue-common committing the new po files now oh in appserver dbdriver there were new strings *** sjc has quit IRC will you commit appsrver po files too or should i make it? i will just a sec thx you just have to fill in the missing translations in hu.po common done appserver new po files generated about to release gnue-common 5 4 3 2 1 go! appserver done kilo: excellent thanks btw the po header is out of date, it tells about appserver version 0.1... you have to fix that in the .po file AFAICT no way to automate this i did in hu.po 8-)) ok isn't it how automation is: reinhard does it by hand and tells everyone it is automated? 8-)) will common go from 0.5.9 to 0.6 or 0.5.10 ? 0.5.10 IMHO ah, like gnome bbl *** btami has quit IRC releasing is really fun nowadays lol alright what's with the double posts on the mailing list ? which double posts? i got two of both your previous posts =) *** dimas_ has quit IRC i didn't get double posts on the dev list though biab *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has quit IRC i sincerely apologies ... as always i opened my mouth before thinking ... the double posts are completely due to my own stupidity i'm in need of some sleep ... night all *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise hi jamest did you notice we released common just again? whaddup dudes *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has quit IRC bbl reinhard: didn't notive notice i was planning on testing internal apps here today w/ common as I need to roll out new app this week that needs new common so I'll be testing :) excellent off to lug meeting *** reinhard has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise hi everyone hi derek, you here? sorry about yesterday. I forgot your mobile phone number and the plan to the soccer fields i was at Arizona State University soccer stadium but seems that was the wrong place to go. *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has quit IRC *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has quit IRC *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has quit IRC *** wt has quit IRC *** slate has joined #gnuenterprise hello is somewhere some information how to set up an appserver? the appserver primary authors are not in here atm i think SachaS wrote something up on it though but I can't seem to find it :( Sincerely how they think someone will test it if there is no word about configuration. i thought they provide a sample setup they reference in the INSTALL file but I really don't know much about it yes its so. its just isnt working. *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise hello btami you made these uhu packages? hello slate have you? yep how in the heck is the appserver started? I made a mysql database *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise have you fallowed the INSTALL file? where is the INSTALL file? i could not find any INSTALL file in the packages hmm, it's in the tar.gz well:) maybe it's missing from the .uhu package? where am i supposed to find it? i guess /usr/share/doc/gnue* yes anyhow, http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php will help :) you mean I should download the source and look in there? yes slate: also plz check out http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/appserver/docs/appserver_howto.pdf btw find /usr/share/doc/ -name INSTALL |grep -i gnue some of it is outdated, but basic setup and concepts are up to date still gives nothing back kilo, thanks i think the setup.py needs a fix in gnue-appserver but the INSTALL file in the .tar.gz is clear hi btami + a readme in the samples hi kilo /msg btami do you know a decent dia packager? :) slate: i also found it useful to browse the appserver whitepaper and api docs in the doc section of http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/appserver/ slate: and try to setup the sample application in the appserver directory. then look at the samples source code hi kilo, must be late for you ;) ok, i have set up a schema, but appserver stops with some unicode error. with a verry long stacktrace 2210 is not late... hi SachaS slate: seems i have to produce a new .uhu from appserver tomorrow (add missing INSTALL) http://rafb.net/paste/results/UvlJNU25.html if you have some notion it would be great woa, cool site!!! slate: you from BP? yes what is in your connections.conf plz paste connections.conf too [devel] comment = XYZ Development Database provider = mysql host = localhost dbname = gnue SachaS: what is it like ove rthere? hey kilo. its fine. nice air conditioning, outside its pretty warm 6 C here... its rather like ... lemme check .. high 32 low 18 at this time it would be 32 outside 6C cries out for... hmmm.... Bowmore Mariner gnue-schema -c devel -p gnue -u gnue /usr/share/doc/gnue-appserver/examples/sample.gsd i ran this to create the schema and what I pasted is the result. slate: seems the username is missing here gnue-appserver --database devel --password gnue --connections /etc/gnue/connections.conf i look after it. i mean: --username gnue ok, the error changed :) Table 'gnue.gnue_module' doesn't exist ;) * in the directory '/usr/local/gnue/share/gnue/appserver' run the command "gnue-schema --connection=gnue gnue.gsd" this will create and populate all tables needed for the classrepository i try har to remember what johannes told about mysql the last time... slate: was it successful? no, as i said i look in the source no slate: drop the db, then start as btami said, with gnue.gsd first, then sample.gsd what you pasted was a try to run the appserver ok 1. create an empty db its running, you should get INSTALL into the package:) ah, ok thanks for the help yes, np wow, that is a good result. appserver up and running in 20 minutes... without INSTALL in .UHU ! slate: btw. you are the first appserver uhu package tester here :) thx slate: lasciate omni speranza... i tried before, but could not get it running. i only understand ever from this statement. slate: ? i dont speak latin. thats all oh. it is written over Hell's gate in Dante's masterwork... /msg slate Ki itt belépsz, hagyj fel minden reménnyel 8-)) kilo is THE man who in love in exotic languages, like latin, gael, hungarian :) s/in/with /msg btam Tha mise, gu dearbh!!! I simply grew up, and just using languages.:) grrr dont forget C++ 8-))) na ja what does that mean? the dante thing nickr: which one lasciate omni speranza I created a form with designer with the wizzard but it doesnt run:( with appserver connection? it doesnt run from the designer, it runs from gnue-form yes not iplemented yet nickr: Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here btw Dante, he was a real loooooser... at any given time he chose the wrong patron or the wrong political side... good writer, though, I hear. he had some surious sense for that Divina Comedia is GREAT slate: but it does run ok from gnue-form? yes. wow i tried to print it but the label names were not printed. that's ok. much better than i thought you would get at first time slate: patches are welcome :) report design is not implemented? not yet reports at 0.1.5 only yeah, jamest is really being slow with finishing reports heh and schema? * btami hopes jcater will have more freetime for gnueing again what is imported directories? jcater is our da masta slate: where? its under forms in object navigator. i can only connect to a datasource with the wizzard. file menu / connect doesnt work. AttributeError: Connection instance has no attribute 'native' but it worked, got wrong. slate: never tried that to use file-connect? how did you connect then? funny, i made a form and it can connect and run, but designer cannot. slate: reproduced the bug something changed in common in the last few days it was ok in the prev release iirc designer carrot gnue-forms can connect and designer cannot. yes, here too i think the upper/lower issue raised again... i blame johannes oh no! derek :) and how can that be resolved. ? * btami smells a bugfix release for tomorrow... if reinhard/johannes will fix it how can something get wrong if it worked. i rmed ~/.gnue directory still doesnt work it's easy :) just pot a lower() or upper() into a code somewhere its too late, i cannot find a funny answer to this:) and it will get a side effect somwhere you don't want i think it will be solved tomorrow morning, so just stay tuned :) night all *** btami has quit IRC slate: sign up for gnue-dev and gnue-commit and you'll see tomorrow if it has been repaired I am not so found of that I just wanted to look at it if its worth to work with also, hang out here I think it needs a few years:) except some big company gives a bunch of money. no, it is quite useable if you have the expert knowledge:) i believe it. you have us here, the big brainshare and having two fellow countrymen... I planned to do some work with that in a reasonable time *** SachaWork has quit IRC dont give up this easy tell us about the work, the time allowed I have only couple of days. and the work? for the work. so i think it will be some ms magic. do you really need appserver? or can you cope with 2-tier? dont go ms way. i suck right at the moment with access... as i. but its fast, and if you have the expert knowledge... you know where its not working as here. I think this is a good project. it is but not ready for use, yet. the concept seems ok. hmm, i disagree If I get a database form designer and cannot connect to the database... then .... it can be used in 2-tier quite fast and reliable appserver evolves each day who do i use form designer in 2 tier? you mean how? I guess 3 tier is if i connect to the appserver 2 tier is if I connect to a database you set up the db, put an entry in connections.conf and then use the wizard and select that entry yes, exactly I cannot connect to this database, as i said.