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<kilo> good morning
<btami> good morning
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<johannesV> hi kilo
<johannesV> hi btami
<kilo> hi johannesV
<btami> hi
<kilo> johannesV: what are you working on atm? reports?
<johannesV> kilo, yeah, reports and navigator
<johannesV> and the connection between them
<johannesV> great
<johannesV> my first pdf came out of the printer as controlled by the generated form
<johannesV> :)
<btami> cool
<kilo> wow
<johannesV> yeah, now i've to tweak navigator a bit to start the generated form
<johannesV> if you have a report just call it like 'grcvs -U gtk2 sample.grd' and look :)
<kilo> btami can't stop telling 'whoa's...
<btami> cooooool
<johannesV> :)
<kilo> why do you use -U? i always use -u
<johannesV> don't know
<kilo> hehe
<johannesV> this was there just before
<btami> tamas@TAMAS-PC:~$ grcvs -U gtk2 char.grd
<btami> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<btami> DB000:    File "/home/tamas/svn/gnue/gnue-reports/scripts/gnue-reports", line 29, in ?
<btami> DB000:     GRRun().run()
<btami> DB000:    File "/home/tamas/svn/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/client/GRRun.py", line 195, in run
<btami> DB000:     runui.run()
<btami> DB000:    File "/home/tamas/svn/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/client/GRRunUI.py", line 94, in run
<btami> DB000:     formBuffer = self.__buildForm ()
<btami> DB000:    File "/home/tamas/svn/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/client/GRRunUI.py", line 216, in __buildForm
<btami> DB000:     code.extend (self.__addDataSources ())
<btami> DB000:    File "/home/tamas/svn/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/client/GRRunUI.py", line 330, in __addDataSources
<btami> DB000:     filters.append ((item [1]['formatter'], item [1]['description']))
<btami> DB000:  KeyError: 'formatter'
<johannesV> wow
<btami> is formatter used for something ?
<johannesV> you have another dict in reports ?
<btami> i have no formatters yet, and some other entryes hesa no too
<btami> s/hesa/has
<johannesV> btami, can you please check what's the result of reportInfo.getFilters () function in client/GRRun.py ?
<btami> mailmerge has no too
<btami> checking...
<johannesV> thanks
<johannesV> btami, i'll change the algorithm for getting all filters
<btami> johannesV: the traceback comes before getFilters() was called...
<johannesV> ok
<btami> anyhow, the structure of entries in .conf may vary from filter to filter
<johannesV> btami, give me another 5 minutes, then you can try it again
<kilo> 5???
<btami> but i'm in reorganizing a Char filter a bit (as jcater suggested), so it will contain formatter too...
<johannesV> btami, can you svn up and check it again ?
<btami> it's ok now, thx
<btami> can you remove the statusline from the dialog too?
<btami> if it's possible at all
<johannesV> hmm
<johannesV> i've added a STATUSBAR:SUPPRESS ..
<johannesV> so i'm wondering why it is still there ...
<johannesV> this doesn't work in wx either ...
<johannesV> have to check
<btami> ok, after svn up again, no statusbar, thx again!
<johannesV> :)
<johannesV> ok, so now the navigator-integration is left to be done ...
<btami> johannesV: what do you think, is there any chance to use checkbox/dropdown/listbox style entries in
<btami> generated dialogs?
<johannesV> what do you mean by 'generated dialogs' ?
<btami> the parameters dialog, you are working on now :)
<johannesV> btami: ah, i see
<johannesV> yes i can imagine
<johannesV> the prob is how to describe parameters, so it can be determined which control (widget) to use
<johannesV> but i can imagine things like that, of course
<johannesV> for example: dropdowns referencing lookup-datasources
<johannesV> or controls for a "between selection" (lower-bound and upper-bound-value with value-checking)
<johannesV> or other stuff like that
<btami> yes
<johannesV> btw. date, time, datetime and booleans are treated right now correctly
<btami> it would be cool IMO
<johannesV> (using input- and displaymasks or using a checkbox
<johannesV> )
<johannesV> you would have to set the "type" attribute of the parameter-tag
<johannesV> like <parameter name="foo" type="boolean" default="True"/> ...
<btami> ok, will try it too
<johannesV> so the generated form would now containe a checkbox
<johannesV> oh
<johannesV> no, it doesn't work as intended ... :(
<johannesV> hmm, damn restructuring of code ...
<johannesV> :)
<johannesV> great, i've just found another bug, in GRRunUI as well as in forms :)(
<kilo> hmmm, i guess johannesV will finish with forms in 1 hr, then cover navigator during lunch, and that would mean we could have working input/display masks by the afternoon 8-))
<kilo> s/forms/reports
<btami> we have a new coding machine called johannesV (after temp losing jcater/jan)
<btami> s/losing/loosing
<johannesV> i should re-introduce *longer* test-cycles before committing again
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<kilo> johannesV: after svn up, you should use -u from now on...
<johannesV> so you've killed "--username" ?
<reinhard> the command line params are a bit inconsistent anyway
<reinhard> -u is --ui for forms and --username for appserver
<johannesV> kilo, i would say "-i" is a better short-opt for "--interface"
<johannesV> reinhard, yeah
<kilo> it works just like in forms
<johannesV> np
<reinhard> in gnue-schema, it's --connection <name>
<reinhard> in appserver, it's --database <name>
<reinhard> in forms, it's --interface
<reinhard> in reports, it's --ui
<reinhard> however
<reinhard> i believe it would break quite a lot of existing stuff if we changed command line params :(
<johannesV> right
<johannesV> that was the reason i haven't changed
<reinhard> OTOH
<reinhard> nobody has used --ui option for reports anyway
<reinhard> (since it did nothing at all)
<reinhard> so it would be the right time *now* to change --ui to --interface to be consistent at least with forms
<reinhard> and navigator
<kilo> exactly. change it now or never...
<reinhard> both forms and navigator have --interface and -u
<kilo> and noow reports too
<johannesV> ?
<johannesV> navigator, forms and reports all have a '--interface'
<johannesV> where's that --ui ?
<kilo> used to be in reports: --ui or -U
<johannesV> no
<johannesV> --interface or -U (-u after your change)
<johannesV> "ui" is just the internal key for self.OPTIONS
<kilo> ah, yes
<kilo> it used to be like
<kilo> [ 'ui', 'U', 'ui', 1, 'text', 'interface',
<kilo> -          'Run GNUe Reports using a specific UI.  Possible UI\'s are text and gui.']
<kilo> first 'ui' is the internal key
<kilo> U is short name
<kilo> second 'ui' is long name
<kilo> 'text' id the default
<kilo> 'interface' is the argument
<kilo> so it must have been --ui
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<reinhard> btw
<reinhard> just if anybody else got that mail from "red hat"
<johannesV> kilo, yeah that's correct, so you've already fixed that !
<reinhard> telling you to download a patch for fileutils because ls and mkdir have security holes
<reinhard> it's now official that it's a fake and the "patch" installs a backdoor on your system
<reinhard> and the domain www.fedora-redhat.com is not a domain of red hat
<kilo> redhat sec mail is fake
<kilo> johannesV: yes, i did
<kilo> @weather LHUD
<bigbrother`> kilo: The current temperature in Szeged, Hungary is 67°F (2:00 PM CEST on October 25, 2004). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 58°F. Pressure: 30.05 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 5.0 miles (8.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
<reinhard> @weather hohenems
<reinhard> bah
<reinhard> kilo: how did you find out LHUD?
<kilo> i know all hungarian airport codes by heart, so it was only a matter of issueing print kilo.get('Szeged') and it printed 'LHUD'
<kilo> @weather LOIH
<bigbrother`> kilo: The current temperature in Dornbirn, Austria is 66°F (2:00 PM CEST on October 25, 2004). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 52°F. Wind: NNE at 1 mph (2 km/h). Pressure: 29.95 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 21.8 miles (35.0 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12
<reinhard> @weather HOH
<bigbrother`> reinhard: The current temperature in Dornbirn, Austria is 66°F (2:00 PM CEST on October 25, 2004). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 52°F. Wind: NNE at 1 mph (2 km/h). Pressure: 29.95 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 21.8 miles (35.0 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12
<reinhard> bah
<reinhard> bigbrother doesn't speak UTF-8??
<kilo> reinhard: http://www.aviator.at/Listen_airp2.html
<reinhard> @weather HOH
<bigbrother`> reinhard: The current temperature in Dornbirn, Austria is 66°F (2:00 PM CEST on October 25, 2004). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 52°F. Wind: NNE at 1 mph (2 km/h). Pressure: 29.95 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 21.8 miles (35.0 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12
<reinhard> better :)
<reinhard> one of the most annoying "features" of gaim is
<reinhard> to simply *not* display the whole line if it can't decode a single character from utf-8
<kilo> http://www.bonforte.com/webcam/
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<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> gaim 1.0.2 going into sarge today
<reinhard> let's hope they fixed it :)
<reinhard> kilo: lol
<reinhard> if i don't have the time to look out of the window ;-)
<kilo> gaim developers asked gaim: where do you want to go today? and he answered Sarge
<kilo> bbl
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<reinhard> jamest: good morning
<reinhard> jamest: how can one make a modal form?
<jamest> the entire form?
<reinhard> yes
<jamest> or a dialog form inside a form
<reinhard> this is needed for reports
<jamest> hmmmm
<reinhard> reports wants to start a form to ask the user for parameters and destination
<reinhard> of course that form should be modal
<jamest> i've not tried it with the top level form
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> according to johannesV it doesn't work
<reinhard> :)
<jamest> but in dialog forms there is a modal option iirc
<reinhard> yes
<jamest> and <dialog> is just an alias for <form with a style(?) of dialog
<reinhard> but it seems you can't run a dialog from the "outside"
<reinhard> just from within a normal form
<jamest> shouldn't need to
<reinhard> but we have no normal form
<jamest> hang on, let me try something
<reinhard> maybe johannesV can explain better
* johannesV is curious about a solution
<jamest> right now we have
<jamest> <form style="normal|dialog">
<jamest> what if we were to add modal to that list
<jamest> looking over the code i think we could add a check in gffinstance's activateForm
<jamest> which would flip modal to true if the forms style was modal
<reinhard> johannesV: ?
<jamest> however it does break at least the wx driver
<jamest> as a wxframe doesn't support the showModal() call
* reinhard is just trying to mediate ;-)
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<johannesV_> jamest, setting a style="dialog" produces a lot of GLib warnings for gtk too
<johannesV_> jamest, using wx with a style="dialog" works
<johannesV_> so it seems to be in gtk2 uidriver ...
<jamest> odd
<johannesV_> i'll look into it
<jamest> i get errors doing that
<jamest> as the menu bar and stuff is left off in dialog mode
<johannesV_> using wx ?
<jamest> which is why I suggested adding a style='modal'
<johannesV_> oh, i've fixed that today i think
<jamest> yeah, in wx
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<derek> @weather PHX
<bigbrother`> derek: The current temperature in Phoenix Sky Harbor International, Arizona is 66°F (7:56 AM MST on October 25, 2004). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 48°F. Pressure: 29.82 in (1010 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
<derek> brrr its cold
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<chillywilly> derek: okz
<chillywilly> derek: that's a nice day for me
<reinhard> off to lug meeting
<reinhard> l8r all
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<wt> jcater, are you here?
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<jcater> wt: briefly
<wt> still there?
<wt> jcater, I missed you didn't I?
<wt> damn
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<kilo> jcater: i see that gnue-luca generates commit mails. could we have that also for gnue-contrib? any objections?
<jcater> kilo: done
<jcater> wt: ?
<kilo> oh, thx
<wt> jcater, you there now?
<jcater> yes
<wt> jcater, I was hoping to setup a lunch with you if you ever have time
<wt> I'll even pay if you will discuss gnue with me
<wt> pay for lunch
<jcater> dare I ask, why not ask more questions here?
<wt> I do
<wt> I am trying to get a better idea of the gnue big picture, though
<kilo> wt: ask
<wt> what is the deal with appserver?
<wt> is it supposed to serve forms?
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<wt> and all the other stuff that is contained in *.g* files
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<chillywilly> geez, you guys ask him to ask and then ignore him ;)
<kilo> appserver? it is meant to provide the middle layer between forms and the db
<kilo> chillywilly: you know, the clan...
<wt> is it useful to not forms apps
<wt> like were I to write a POS?
<wt> or add to the POS in SVN?
<kilo> hmmm, maybe. havent thought of that yet
<kilo> i've spent a lot of time with appserver recently, but only with forms
<jcater> it is independent of forms
<jcater> any tool written against gnue-common can take advantage of gnue-appserver
<jcater> it encapsulates business logic
<kilo> but according to the whitepaper, it must be adequate for non-forms apps too
<kilo> oh, i was late
<chillywilly> tsk tsk
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<wt> I say it
<wt> later peeps
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<wendall911> anybody here awake that knows of an alternative to gnucash (gnucrash)?
<jamest> not i
<jcater> not any Free ones
<wendall911> ok, cool, thanks guys
<holycow> sql-ledger.org ... not really an alternative
<holycow> but doable
<wendall911> It would be fine if it didn't crash so often and have so many dependency issues. I know the author has said a rewrite is necessary to fix it.
<chillywilly> gnucash rules
<jcater> if by "rules" you mean "sucks"
<jcater> I agree
<holycow> lol
<wendall911> holycow: sql-ledger may be the best bet
<holycow> well it does what it's meant to do for small business
<wendall911> holycow: at least I can make my own stuff for it :)
<chillywilly> it works for me
<holycow> but gnue is here remedy any of jcater's concerns :)
<chillywilly> yea right
<holycow> wendall911, lol, i presume you know perl?
<wendall911> hey, who's responsible for the financial manager in gnue, and why isn't it finished yet?
<holycow> i heard the sql ledger code is a mess, but hell, i have no clue :)
<wendall911> FAQ question __^
<wendall911> :)
<holycow> wendall911, it's done when its done
<wendall911> heh
<holycow> or when someone contributes some dough :)
<wendall911> Thanks for the feedback guys
<chillywilly> pffft
<chillywilly> my gnucash never crashed
<holycow> i think sql ledger should be ported to gnue
<chillywilly> crashes
<holycow> :)
<jcater> I had bad luck w/it
<jcater> plus it sucks :)
<jcater> way too high of a learnign curve
<chillywilly> gnue sucks too
<jcater> plus missing lots of features
<jcater> well, I have a single WinXP machine at home
<chillywilly> oh geez, it's basic accounting
<jcater> only because gnucash sucks
<jcater> bbiab
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<holycow> someones sure made up their mind X)
<chillywilly> if you can't handle double entry accounting maybe you should reevaluate your ability to manage finances :)
<chillywilly> actually I wish gnucash had an sql backend...oh well it also uese scheme which is weird...it needs more luvin'
<holycow> gnue kinda lovn'!
<holycow> spread some love, get your gnue on!
<holycow> :)
<chillywilly> or not
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<chillywilly> wassup Jason?
<jcater> word
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<wt> anyone here?
<wt> appserver related would be best
<holycow> if i knew anything i would help... sorry dude :/ just wanna letcha know someones here
<holycow> ehe :)
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<wt> :-P