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<kilo> good morning
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<kilo> hi btami
<btami> hi
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<kilo> @ping
<bigbrother> pong
<kilo> @roulette
<bigbrother> kilo: *click*
<kilo> @weather
<kilo> @weather LHUD
<bigbrother> kilo: The current temperature in Szeged, Hungary is 41°F. Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 40°F. Pressure: 30.04 in (1017 hPa). Visibility: 4.0 miles (7.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12
<kilo> johannesV: does appserver handle transactions and if yes, how? can a user define a transaction begin-end?
<johannesV> kilo, no and no
<johannesV> (not yet)
<kilo> hmmm
<kilo> is it planned however?
<johannesV> yes
<holycow> have you guys checked out some of the openoffice1.9x developer code releases?
<johannesV> it's planned for 0.4 (i think)
<holycow> their forms/db creation/interface dealy seems neat on a peripheral look
<kilo> johannesV: thx. I hope to see them work
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<reinhard> kilo: appserver does support transactions as far as the db supports them
<kilo> can i tell it to start a tran, then to commit?
<kilo> does find() searches only committed instances?
<reinhard> you can tell appserver to commit and/or rollback via forms
<reinhard> find searches what the db gives, for postgres that's only committed instances
<reinhard> off to lunch
<kilo> i would need a find() that searches virtually existing instances too. what about a findDirty() method?
<kilo> or a param for find() that tells it to find dirty-state instances too?
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<reinhard> to be more precise
<reinhard> only committed instances for other transactions and all already posted instances for this transaction
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<lekma> hello all
<lekma> is there anybody working on gnue-reports?
<btami> hi lekma
<lekma> hi btami
<reinhard> hi lekma
<lekma> hi reinhard :)
<lekma> btami: i saw you made some changes in reports
<btami> yep
<lekma> do you have any idea on how the server parts works?
<btami> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~btami/gnue-reports-server-test.py
<kilo> hi lekma
<lekma> from our firsts tests it seems it is exactly what we need to provide printed documents to appserver
<lekma> but we would really like to make appserver talk to it directly (without the need of a user)
<lekma> would it be possible?
<lekma> hi kilo
<btami> lekma: everything is possible in gnue :)
<lekma> btami: as always :)
<btami> just sometimes you have to code it :)
<lekma> we're kinda eager to do it but we really need to understand first how it does work
<lekma> :)
<btami> all i can remember is that test py file
<btami> it was a year ago
<lekma> reinhard: btw on the performance side of appserver: we sometimes observe big slow down even though memory is far from being full and processor seems to be unused
<reinhard> lekma: can you nail down what would cause it?
<reinhard> does it access db?
<lekma> i still have to investigate, but it seems to me the xml rpc server has troubles folllowind the thousands of requests/transactions generated when you stress it a bit
<reinhard> we would appreciate any kind of hint
<evil_kilo> rewrite it in C, yeaaaaah!!!
<reinhard> I would not believe that python is the show stopper here
<lekma> reinhard: i'm still trying to exclude system problem on server and client side before blaming it on gnue :)
<reinhard> lekma: you using appserver in a scale that you have several thousand rpc calls?
<lekma> reinhard: yep
<reinhard> within?
<reinhard> a second? a minute? an hour?
<lekma> a few secs
<reinhard> wow
<lekma> when generating 'articles', for example i test it does not yet exist in db
<lekma> and with the variant engine you can achieve virtually thousands of test
<reinhard> ok
<lekma> but i think i'll do it in python to speed it up
<lekma> but the big slow downs don't occur at this specific time
<reinhard> you could try to push it server side
<lekma> they can happen any time
<reinhard> that's strange
<lekma> gessing here: it's as if the server was freeing or liberating ressources and you can feel uit
<reinhard> big garbage collection runs maybe?
<lekma> s/uit/it
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> gmta :)
<lekma> johannesV: you here?
<johannesV> back again (but still very busy)
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<reinhard> wanna see something scary?
<jamest> sure
<reinhard> http://www.moraldefense.com/Campaigns/Microsoft/Antitrust_FAQ/default.htm
<jamest> interesting
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<jamest> i'm just glad to find out Microsoft isn't the fink rat bastard of a company I thought it was
<jamest> thanks reinhard
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<holycow> reinhard, HEH
<holycow> its amazing how far appologists will go
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<sss> hello, is anyone on this channel?
<reinhard> yes
<sss> I have few questions about GNUe
<reinhard> shoot
<sss> I am SAP developer, interesting in data distribution / migration
<sss> Is there any development concerning EDI?
<reinhard> not quite there yet
<reinhard> although we had SachaS here for a long while who did a masters thesis about ebxml
<reinhard> and who was very interested in looking at combining his knowledge with gnue
<reinhard> gnue is quite xml based
<reinhard> we are able to read data from xml files as well as export to xml
<reinhard> but i think there has not been much done about things like EDIFACT or such.
<sss> Would the ability to interface by means of EDI be of interest to the project?
<reinhard> I can imagine that very well
<sss> I suppose this would be part of GNUe Integrator right?
<reinhard> I have never been into GNUe Integrator, so I can't really answer this question
<reinhard> but IIRC integrator was more targeted at a
<reinhard> database <-> database
<reinhard> configuration
<reinhard> than a
<reinhard> external system <-> file <-> database
<reinhard> configuration
<reinhard> but like i said, i could be wrong
<sss> What platform are most developers using?
<reinhard> what do you mean with "platform"?
<reinhard> is there anything beyond gnu/linux?
<sss> OS
<reinhard> ;-)
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> OS
<reinhard> so you mean
<reinhard> whether we prefer debian or redhat
<reinhard> ;-)
<reinhard> most of us prefer debian
<reinhard> however, sometimes people here talk about something called "windows" but I don't understand what that is...
<sss> that's the only distribution of Linux I ever tried
<mustafa> who knows. maybe they talk about that nice thing called ubuntu, with nice windows ;)
<sss> is there a deb package, or do you prefer to download the source and compile
<reinhard> all parts of gnue are in sarge (testing) and sid (unstable)
<reinhard> but unfortunately they are very outdated
<reinhard> so you should download the tarfiles
<reinhard> there's not much need to compile as everything is in python
<reinhard> which is a scripting language
<reinhard> mustafa: ah, now i understand ;-)
<mustafa> :)
<sss> I never used python, but have heard it's quick to learn, am I right (I program ABAP, a cobol like language)
<mustafa> better: which is a GREAT scripting language ;)
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<reinhard> sss: python is *really* easy to learn
<reinhard> too late
<mustafa> i'm sure he got it ;)
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<reinhard> hi ajmitch_
* reinhard doesn't even dare to ask
<ajmitch_> hi
<ajmitch_> :)
<ajmitch_> I haven't seen jeff for a couple of days
<reinhard> he was here not long ago
<reinhard> @seen jbailey
<bigbrother> reinhard: jbailey was last seen here 4 days, 20 hours, 0 minutes, and 33 seconds ago saying: <jbailey> He's always doing chores.
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> he told me he just waits for you sending him the debs
<ajmitch_> not long..
<ajmitch_> ah, he asked me to upload them to m.d.n, which I did
<ajmitch_> at least a couple of them :)
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<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> so i can again beat jbailey when i see him ;-)
<ajmitch_> don't you do that anyway?
<reinhard> hehe
<ajmitch_> what was it that needs updated?
<ajmitch_> common, appserver, forms, reports..
<ajmitch_> did navigator get a release?
<reinhard> gnue-appserver-0.3.2.tar.gz gnue-common-0.5.10.tar.gz gnue-designer-0.5.4.tar.gz gnue-forms-0.5.8.tar.gz gnue-navigator-0.0.8.tar.gz gnue-reports-0.1.6.tar.gz
<reinhard> are the current version
<reinhard> navigator is 0.0.7 in sid
<ajmitch_> right
<reinhard> reports is 0.1.5
<reinhard> so everything except designer got updated
<ajmitch_> ok, so I've just got navigator debs to do..
<reinhard> ok
<ajmitch_> will only take a few minutes :)
<reinhard> that's cool
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<ajmitch_> hopefully that's the lot of them uploaded
<ajmitch_> to mentors.debian.net, at least
<ajmitch_> and jeff can grab from there & complain
<kilo> desginer should be released too, with the new goat icon...
<ajmitch_> give designer some loving, and you can release it :)
<kilo> i did... reinhard is tha releeze masta
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<ajmitch_> has it had any decent changes in svn?
* ajmitch_ hasn't followed the commits for awhile
<reinhard> kilo: if you say it's worth releasing i can release with next lot
<ajmitch_> ah great
* ajmitch_ spots some commits at the end of october :)
<ajmitch_> "Make "Run Form" do something
<ajmitch_> and not just segfault simply... "
<ajmitch_> I think that's just about worthy of a point release in itself :)
<reinhard> well
<ajmitch_> although it isn't implemented..
<ajmitch_> just stops it crashing
<reinhard> I fear you will have to face another release lot within a week or so
<ajmitch_> that's ok
<reinhard> we also have working dropdowns
<kilo> i think it is worth releasing
<reinhard> but however,
<ajmitch_> I've got a bit of time now
<reinhard> i would prefer at least the *current* releases to go into debian
<reinhard> than you again waiting for next release and delaying debian again
<ajmitch_> I'll harass jeff asap
<ajmitch_> because we know that sarge is due Any Day Now(tm), right? ;)
<reinhard> yes :))
<ajmitch_> there's more urgency to get new versions in ubuntu's universe repository, which is grabbed from sid
<ajmitch_> since we at least know their release schedule :)
<reinhard> ajmitch_: seriously now
<reinhard> what is your position on ubuntu?
<reinhard> (seeking input)
<ajmitch_> I think it's quite good
<ajmitch_> a nice debian derivative
<ajmitch_> I installed it a couple of days ago on a pc here
<ajmitch_> although I'll be sticking with sid for my main pc, I think
<mustafa> in my opinion, ubuntu ROCKS
<mustafa> (i know i know, my opinion wasn't required :PPP )
<ajmitch_> it currently has gnue packages in the universe repository, so I know that they'll be grabbed & in there
<mustafa> not warty
<kilo> i dont like those benetton-like happy faces...
<ajmitch_> mustafa: yes, but not in main
<reinhard> ajmitch_: i was actually interested in what debianists think about ubuntu
<mustafa> i have main universe restricted multiverse in my source.list, and there's not gnue
<reinhard> whether they see it as some kind of "agression" or "fork"
<reinhard> or rather as a complement to debian
<kilo> jcater: do you have an example of the usage of <image> entry?
<ajmitch_> mustafa: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gnue-common/
<ajmitch_> reinhard: debian gets forked all the time :)
<ajmitch_> I see it as more of a complement - the ubuntu devs submit their work back to debian
<ajmitch_> perhaps I'm not the typical passionate debian zealot
<mustafa> uh
<mustafa> root@ubuntumania:~ # apt-cache search gnue-common
<mustafa> root@ubuntumania:~ #
<mustafa> mmm
<reinhard> ajmitch_: that's good to hear (your position)
<reinhard> as it's quite like I see it, too
<ajmitch_> mustafa: interesting.. I was sure it was in warty..
<mustafa> who knows..
<ajmitch_> it's in the sources list
<mustafa> can i paste here 8 lines?
<ajmitch_> alright
<kilo> sure
<mustafa> even if off topic, since it's my source.list :)
<mustafa> root@ubuntumania:~ # grep -v ^# /etc/apt/sources.list |grep -v ^$
<mustafa> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
<mustafa> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
<mustafa> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
<mustafa> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
<mustafa> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
<mustafa> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
<mustafa> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
<mustafa> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
<mustafa> am i missing anything?
<kilo> that's 9 lines 8-)))
<mustafa> ok, ban me :)
<ajmitch_> no
<ajmitch_> but the package wasn't built for some reason
<ajmitch_> and I just tested that the gnue-common in warty's universe builds fine
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<ajmitch_> hello jamest
<jamest> hi
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<kilo> jamest: do you have an example of the usage of <image> entry?
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<jamest> ya
<jamest>       <image name="imgURL" Char:height="20" Char:width="78" Char:x="1"
<jamest>              Char:y="12" block="blkXref_image" field="fldUrl"/>
<jamest> where the field contains the url to the actual image
<jamest> i think someone added support for binary images being stored in the field itself
<jamest> but i have no example of that
<kilo> ah, thx
<reinhard> night all
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<kilo> if i set up an unbound block with one field, holding the URL of the image i want to display, is it a correct approach?
<jamest> i think that'd work
<jamest> in my case the urls are in a table in the dv
<jamest> db
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<kilo> oidhche mhath
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