*** cairo_ has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise good morning good morning *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise good morning *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise so this is the time to use the released version of appserver instead... johannesV, reinhard: is it reasonable to use blk.rollback() still? kilo, i'd prefer to use form.rollback, since blk.rollback does revert changes only from block, but reverts the 'whole' transaction on backend so to be consistent use "form.rollback()" and yes, stick with the released version atm we're still looking for a clean solution to the 'dirty-read' problem, although it's getting a shape ... a shape? hmmm shape of a.... cloud? 8-))) *lol* *** R45 has quit IRC *** R45 has joined #gnuenterprise anyhow, please dont go the a) way no, we're heading for c) which means a lot of quite complex work to do but it's the only 'clean' solution hmmm, lots of work surely. *** sjc has quit IRC *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise hi all hi lekma hi lekma *** cilkay has joined #gnuenterprise *** cilkay has left #gnuenterprise *** cilkay has joined #gnuenterprise kilo, that bug you've added to forms, does also apply to all other fields (not only to dropdowns or fk-fields) as soon as a field's value is longer than maxLength you cannot change the value this is a bug in GFDisplayHandler .. but it is not the value that is longer, but the displayed string right, but in general it's the same problem though well, i haven't investigated it, only noted that i can not select Male/Female from a dropdown that is tied to a maxLenght="1" field and the values to store were M or F hmm i only had the other problem with a field's value beeing too long, then ... :) maybe i'll find some time to dig into this in the afternoon kilo, is your sample in gnue-contrib ? no. but yuo can try it, store a fictious country name that is longer than 32 characters, and then try to select it ni LOC_Region.gfd in gnue-invoice *** havoc has quit IRC in fact why is maxLength needed? it could be read from the database with introspection magix upon form startup bbl *** btami has quit IRC kilo: I think maxLength was there long before there was introspection also, forms doesn't use introspection at all and IIRC there is some reasoning behind that (not sure though) otherwise you wound't need to tell the form that a field is of type date, or should be a checkbox (if it's boolean) etc hmmm, wouldn't it be good to change/develop this? what's the introspection to a 'text' field on postgres? *** havoc has joined #gnuenterprise *** neilt has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** mhe has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise hey johannesV i tried to look at that issue last night but forms won't run on my laptop so i'll be looking this morning ok, great any idea why i'd get a LoopupError: unknown encoding: en_gb in forms when I hit tab in the trigger.gfd you meant that exception in PRE-FOCUSOUT trigger ? that's what I get on the laptop my desktop at home is dead and at work yesterday I was getting dict key errors (the real error) any time I see encoding, or utf, or i18n I get that deer in the headlights look oh, i do get a dict-key-error too hello all is anyone using current version for crm or have a module for crm working? *** titopbs has joined #gnuenterprise neilt: will you be around some hours later? yes got to run now, but would like to talk tou you about that theme kilo: what time? 2000 UTC excellent will be here! ok grea, thx. bbl *** kilo has quit IRC *** btami has quit IRC *** mhe has left #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** titopbs has quit IRC *** titopbs has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has quit IRC *** soda has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has quit IRC *** dcmwai has quit IRC *** reinhard has left #gnuenterprise what's the python operator to check if a variable is in a list of values? if foo in ['foo', 'bar', 'baz', 'biz']: ? yea chillywilly, right, this would work, but for large sequences it might get slow well it's not large ;) *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise has_key() if it is a dict *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has quit IRC *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has quit IRC *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has quit IRC neilt: i am here *** holycow has quit IRC hi kilo did you recieve my email about hyperubl? hi SachaS_ just checking mails, havent been around until now yes, i've received it for others and the record: HyperUBL - object-relational support toolkit for UBL https://hyperubl.dev.java.net/ wow, just lloking at it *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise SachaS_: do you remember your old hand-drawn diagram about gnue/middleware/xml and ebxml? and xmlblaster kilo sure do i was just reviewing old emails the other day, and it got me thinking :) and what did you come up with? what do you think about that now? still the same except somewhere deep inside i feel something 'good' about it. you surely know the feeling, when something starts to develop in your mind, you cant still tell exactly what it is, but it will develop that it was naive to believe that there is just one system (eg gnuenterprise) but many system and that a private business process engine can be used on top of that kilo: you ready to discuss CRM? hi neilt hmmm, i am ready to ask your thoughts about it 8-))) SachaS_: hello kilo: ok first, which part of crm? managing customer problems is the first part kinda customer service and scanning data to alert customer service of potential problems is the 2nd part yep so my question was has anyone implemented anything like this with gnue? ah, i see. and what is the current status of the 2 tier and 3 tier versions? not that i know of. reinhard/johannes implemented a 3-tier hotline system, but that is not exactly what you are looking for really, do you know that it does or do you have a pointer that I can read about it/ it is in gnue-contrib, check it out with svn do you need the url? nope I have it locally already but with so many files its kinda hard to know where to look then there is a hotline dir. it was first in german, but now there is an english version too *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise look in schema/hotline.gcd that will give you a basic view of the db it looks like gnue-contrib has to be checked out separately? yes svn://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue-contrib :( the web site link to browse source code does not work! hi neilt no, sadly btami: hello we all need some help from you and other US peops on gnue packages neilt: in fact if you have insight information about crm, i would be very very glad to work with you on developing something based on your knowledge only kilo and reinhard started to workon packages kilo: excellent but we know only european rules (more or less) btami: how stable is the design? I spent a lot of time and effort 3 years ago that got thrown out the door when it was decided to redesign the server the desogn of what? packages sorry, I meant the server, forms and reports? the appserver's last release is very stable imo very good formstoo reports is weakest link reports core is stable too the layoutpart needs more work in gnue-contrib you can find a gnue-invoice , it shows how usable all the framework excellent, I just pulled down gnue-contrib is gnue-invoice 3 tier? yes @seen derek btami: derek was last seen here 2 days, 14 hours, 26 minutes, and 8 seconds ago saying: if you want non cvs access i think there hourly snapshots @seen dneighbo btami: dneighbo was last seen here 1 day, 3 hours, 59 minutes, and 43 seconds ago saying: hi hmm, no derek, no DCL :( *** SachaS_ has quit IRC kilo: so what were your questions? hmm. could you plz provide some information what in your opinion a crm package would need? (heh, really good question, ain't it?) of course "it should have everything" :) crm is many things to many different people ah, good answer for a good question 8-))) has DCL been hooked into gnue? or is it still separate dcl is ... hmm.... forgot neilt: how long have you been gone? 3 years ok @tell derek DCL DCL DCL so that's about 3 months in GNUe time yep @tell dneighbo DCL DCL DCL I am thinking about getting back involved if the time is right? to start writing modules neilt: we could start out designing for you custom crm needs neilt: quite possibly yes, it would be great they actually have working modules now who did babyerp in gnue-contrib? very few and very basic SachaS did, but it is not working atm kilo: true, but the whole "dogfood" concept means few is better than none neitl: that was me neilt: that was me SachaS: cool yes, just wanted to warn him not to except fullblown erp its ~10 months old and no longer running expect SachaS: roughly why is it broke, server changes or bugs in the module? but conecpets are good neilt: it was just a toy project, then server changed and I did not keep up SachaS: ok to keep up with development was the hardest and I was thinking to not touch the code but to concentrate on the application (module) SachaS: been there, dont that s/dont/done/ so I hit limits of appserver (modules extending modules extending modules) but did not go into the code SachaS: do those limits still exist? i have not followed but I see people still talking about similar issues. eg sequences of OnValidate, accessing/changing data within these bound triggers ... i could not tell you as long as I do not know the code I would not exactly know what I can do (or expect to do) or not and dont forget: reinhard and johannes pretty much have coded 1 year full time! when is reinhard or johannes usually on irc *** SachaS_ has joined #gnuenterprise from around 0700 to 2100 UTC and lekma is a power user of appserver too *** SachaS has quit IRC and lekma is a power luser of appserver too :) lol *** btami has quit IRC *** neilt has quit IRC hmm missed neilt... bummer um jcater you still around? hi dneighbo hi SachaS_ not as round as I used to be anyone here use eclipse for python? hey i meant to ask you what is name of that diet? and do you have url? * dneighbo is roudner than i used to be ;) morning derek hi kiwi hi dneighbo http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html well, if you want really quick results I highly recommend the stomach virus I had last weekend dropped 5-6 pounds in 3 days but it might have a yo-yo effect =) thats way too complicated A good diet boils down to a simple axiom "Eat more beans" *** lekma has quit IRC *** someon has joined #gnuenterprise Excellent book though Anyone know what the status of the XUL interface is? I remember someone was developing one, but haven't seen much on it recently. i don't think it's being worked on from what i remember the native client and editors give you the full functionality as is, so there is no huge benefit to running a client on top of gecko someon: lekma is your mean, expect to see him around in 'european normal times' kilo: Yeah, unfortunately, I'm PST (Western Canada) so that doesn't work well for me. The advantage I see of XUL is that it is built into Moz, so if we replace IE with Moz on Windows, then the client is already installed on all machines. someon: I'm PST and I see lemka most days in the AM, unless you don't get up before noon kilo, cool i thought that wasn't in the works neato *** jamest has left #gnuenterprise it was only 1 hour from now that lekma left, so chances are you can talk to him OK, cool... I just quickly did +8 and thought, ok he's going to be at his office until I get to mine.... and then as I'm arriving he'd be leaving. And that would be for UTC :| anyone ever set up a python wiki? like moin moin? dneighbo: I've setup trac, which includes a wiki. *** kilo has quit IRC *** xande has joined #gnuenterprise *** xande has quit IRC um moin moin was 5 minutes on debian * dneighbo hugs his debian *** titopbs has quit IRC *** jcater has quit IRC *** someon has left #gnuenterprise *** someon has joined #gnuenterprise * someon wishes that his debian box was connected to the internet :( *** someon has left #gnuenterprise *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has left #gnuenterprise *** sjc has quit IRC *** holycow has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** mnemoc has quit IRC *** dcmwai has quit IRC