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<btami> good morning
<dimas> hello btami
<btami> hello dimas
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<kilo> good morning
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<gifappel> morning all
<kilo> hi gifappel
<gifappel> kilo: what's your involvement with GNUe?
<kilo> i am #1 bug reporter 8-)))
<gifappel> :-)
<gifappel> Do you have GNUe installed somewhere where it does real work?
<kilo> well in fact we (btami and i) develop here using gnue. We have produced an invoicing application and now starting to work on a payrolling system
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<kilo> gifappel: lekma has an installed app based on gnue, afaik.
<gifappel> kilo: Are you working for a company that uses GNUe?
<kilo> starting to use it
<gifappel> nice
<gifappel> My company asked me to deliver an open-source point-of-sale system for them
<kilo> try to get in touch with jcater
<gifappel> kilo: yes, I heard he's the man. At the moment I'm busy familiarizing myself with GNUe in general, as well as the setup of jcater's POS
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<kilo> gifappel: look at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log.2004-09-27 and read jcater's part there
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<johannesV> ui
<johannesV> there's a bug in gnue-packages/finance/tax/item-vat.gcd
<kilo> hah
<johannesV> the modulename is given as "ITEM_VAT" which is an error
<johannesV> module-names must not containt underscores !
<johannesV> kilo, which class would you like to extend there ?
<kilo> wow, how could it slip in here...
<kilo> i guess it is Item...
<kilo> repair on the way
<johannesV> great, as the new readgcd won't process this file :)
<johannesV> cause it says ITEM_VAT_Price is not a valid namespace element
<kilo> hmmm, where is it used?
<kilo> last commit on it was in November. i guess it is left over from somewhere
<johannesV> i don't know
<kilo> yes, i remember now, it was wt's contribution, and i put it here. sooooo, who is to blame?
<johannesV> derek ?
<kilo> i guess so, yes
<kilo> btw where do you use this file in?
<johannesV> i don't use it
<kilo> you just fiddling with it?
<johannesV> as i'm rewriting readgcd (to be much faster and integratable to other scripts)
<johannesV> i used gnue-packages/ as source of 'a lot of gcds'
<johannesV> and well, gnue-readgcd pointed me out this bug
<johannesV> btw. there is no class "ITEM_Price" anywhere, is it ?
<kilo> no
<johannesV> so item-vat.gcd makes no sense, does it ?
<kilo> hmm, got to put it in the attic,. i guess
<johannesV> or maybe it should create a class "ITEM_Price" with a field "TAX_vat" ... ?
<kilo> no no no
<johannesV> ok, you'll look at it right ? meanwhile i remove this file, so i can do further testing ...
<kilo> i guess i will also remove it, but it needs further considerations
<gifappel> kilo: thanks, I'll read that log
<kilo> johannesV: resolved
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<kilo> reinhard: Vienna to softly embrace Linux    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39185440,00.htm
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<reinhard> kilo: yes, already known for quite some time though
<kilo> ah, sorry
<reinhard> np
<reinhard> nice to see it published so widely
<yangoon> hi
<yangoon> just treid to figure out, where to get gnue-packages
<yangoon> couldn't find them on the web page
<yangoon> I have problems to get svn running behind the firewall (just doesn't honor http proxy settings), so no possibility at the moment to checkout the repository for the ERP packages
<yangoon> browsing the tree doesn't work either, python script throws exception
<yangoon> no one here to give me a hint? johannesV?
<johannesV> yangoon, i don't know if the packages are on the web-site ready for download since they're in a quite early stage i think
<yangoon> so I have to look at the repository, anyway?
<johannesV> yes, i think so ... but i haven't done anything with packages right now, so i cannot tell about their state ...
<johannesV> maybe kilo knows more (since he did some of them)
<kilo> yangoon: packages are not released yet, so they are only in the repo, not in the tarballs
<yangoon> thanks
<yangoon> so I have to get running svn. Anyone of you has a working svn behind a http-proxy? Mine (version 1.1.1, woody backport) just doesn't honor the settings in the server file.
<johannesV> no, sorry; using svn without http-proxy
<kilo> heh, installed ubuntu last night, then grub loading state 1.5, error 17...
<btami> bbl
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<gifappel> I just started my first appserver 8-)
<gifappel> Using SettingUpPostgreSQLToTestWithGNUeAppserverSamples from the wiki
<kilo> congrats
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<gifappel> Thanks, kilo
<gifappel> I remind myself of the fishtank characters in "Finfind Nemo", just after they've manged to reach the harbor in plastic bags:
<gifappel> "Now what???"
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* tiredbones Good morning from Maine, USA
<jamest> morning
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* tiredbones I visited the community Wiki this morning trying to get some infi on 
* tiredbones How App Server Works and was informed that only 
* tiredbones God, Reinhard, and Joannes knows how it works.
<jamest> well, i know at least the last 2 claim to
<jamest> :)
* tiredbones So, if God is on this channel listing could you point
<btami> hi all
* tiredbones me to some doc's, if not, any substitute will do. Thanks
<btami> you can read the developers guide for appserver here http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/appserver/
<btami> and maybe the whitepaper
<johannesV> :)
<johannesV> i'm on the phone most of the time this afternoon ...
* johannesV needs some coffee first
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<johannesV> tiredbones, so do you have any special questions regarding appserver right now ?
* tiredbones No, I'm just trying to get the "big picture".
<johannesV> :)
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<Omat5e1> hello all... I'm looking for a trouble ticket system that works with phpgroupware, but is a little more flexible and configurable... anyone know of one?
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<gifappel> ok, I'm now busy working through the "GNUe 3 tier application user manual"
<gifappel> howtowriteanewgnueapplicationwiththegnueapplicationserver.pdf
<gifappel> The document mentions a "gnue_classrepository.gfd"
<gifappel> Any idea where I can get that file?
<btami> it was removed from svn iirc
<btami> the authors (reinhard/johannesv) didn't liked it
<gifappel> Is there a similar file that I can use together with the above documentation?
<btami> as i know that file is rather outdated
<btami> i'm suggesting
<btami> btami you can read the developers guide for appserver here http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/appserver/
<btami> btami and maybe the whitepaper
<btami> instead
<gifappel> ok, great, thanks for the pointer :-)
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<btami> and you can find some "live" samle n-tier projects in gnue-contrib repo
<btami> like: gnue-invoice, hotlie, gnue-cddb
<btami> s/samle/sample
<gifappel> thanks, I'll look at that
<btami> np
<gifappel> I'm busy looking at point of sale as well
<gifappel> And I get a lot of python exceptions when I try to pay for the items I just "purchased"
<btami> yes, but you can count on jcater only
<btami> regarding gnue-pos
<btami> it's hes baby :)
<gifappel> jcater: can I bug you with gnue-pos?
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<al> hi
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<btami> hi al
<al> I was about to ask if anyone knew why I was getting errors when trying to check out svn
<al> However, it appears that whatever it was, someone fixed it
<al> since it just worked again
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<johannesV> gifappel, we don't use gnue_classrepository.gfd for a long time now. please use gcd- and gld-files instead. btami gave you a link to the dev-guide which should cover these concepts quite well
<btami> al: cool
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<jamest> odd
<jamest> gnue-common svn won't setup.py install
<jamest> hangs in running install_data
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<reinhard> jamest: hangs??
<reinhard> let me try
<reinhard> works for me
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<al> I've been checking out the web site.
<al> Is there a better place to find out the status of the projects
<al> other than www.gnuenterprise.org/project/status.php ?
<jamest> here
<jamest> not sure when that broke :(
<al> is www-support@gnuenterprise.org supposed to work?
<al> it is listed on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/community/bugs.php
<al> but when I tried to send to it, it bounced
<al> (unknown user)
<al> oops.  Just saw the note on the bugs page.  I had originally seen the address on a different page, however.
<jamest> looks like an old dcl address
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<ciccio> hi! someone out there to assist a lame irc/python newbie (me)?
<reinhard> you can try to ask :)
<ciccio> I'm running a debian/unstable box and wanted to give gnue another shot.
<ciccio> in debian, the packages seem a bit outdated and incomplete, so i tried to use those from the website
<ciccio> I unpacked the common-0.5.12 and ran ./setup install
<ciccio> result: from: can't read /var/mail/src.setup
<ciccio>         from: can't read /var/mail/src
<ciccio>         : command not found
<ciccio>         setup.py: line 42: syntax error near unexpected token `('
<ciccio>         setup.py: line 42: `def set_params (params):
<ciccio> am i missing something?
<reinhard> i take it you run ./setup.py install
<reinhard> with the .py?
<ciccio> yes. I did. sorry. I typed here too quickly
<reinhard> please try "python setup.py install"
<reinhard> it seems like your system chose the wrong interpreter
<ciccio> running install
<ciccio> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
<reinhard> how did you start setup?
<reinhard> ah oh
<ciccio> anything I could adjust?
<reinhard> how did you install python?
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> sorry, already got it
<reinhard> please install python-dev
<ciccio> using the debian packages
<ciccio> so I need the development stuff for installation. might this be worth a comment in the INSTALL file?
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> like several other things, too :)
<reinhard> problem is that every distro has different names for that
<reinhard> and most versions of python give a much better error message if the dev part is missing
<ciccio> seems that this did the trick. no more error messages. I'll try the other packs next. thanks
<reinhard> ok
<ciccio> it's very strange to me that using the python command or the script as executable gives different results
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> that's strange to me, too
<reinhard> what happens when you type "/usr/bin/env python" on the command line?
<ciccio> # /usr/bin/env python
<ciccio> Python 2.3.4 (#2, Jan  5 2005, 08:24:51)
<ciccio> [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5)] on linux2
<ciccio> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
<ciccio> >>>
<reinhard> ok looks ok
<reinhard> (you can type ctrl-d now) :)
<ciccio> yes. took me a few seconds to figure out this one.
<reinhard> still have no idea why you can't simply call ./setup.py install
<reinhard> your system seems to call a wrong interpreter
<ciccio> after installing the -dev stuff, it did work.
<reinhard> btw the new debian packages are already in their way into sid
<ciccio> it's just odd that the error messages where missing.
<reinhard> s/in/on
<ciccio> the appserver is missing right now, at least with the standard source list
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<reinhard> missing?
<reinhard> gnue-appserver has been in sid for years
<reinhard> and is also in sarge
<reinhard> AFAICT
<reinhard> just an outdated version
<ciccio> if I search for gnue, I get: gnue-designer gnue-common gnue-forms-wxgtk gnue-reports
<ciccio> maybe the appserver package name doesn't include gnue
<reinhard> gnue-appserver 0.3.3 is in sarge and sid
<reinhard> also, gnue-navigator should be there
<ciccio> you are right. I just used apt-cache to search, and there it was. but in dselect it didn't show up. too odd. must be the 17° in summer
<ciccio> yes, I found it in apt-cache.
<reinhard> ok
<ciccio> any easy way to uninstall what I just installed (as a newbie I prefer the debian packages)?
<reinhard> erm
<reinhard> what parameters did you give for installation?
<reinhard> --root or --prefix
<ciccio> just install
<reinhard> ok
<ciccio> none of those
<reinhard> then IIRC most of the stuff should have gone in /usr/local
<ciccio> yes. I think my eyes caught this string, although it went by very fast
<ciccio> rm -r /usr/local/gnue seems a step. what else?
<reinhard> I think there should be some scripts or links in /usr/local/bin
<reinhard> and maybe you have a gnue.pth somwhere (you might want to use find to find that)
<ciccio> yep. rm /usr/local/bin/gnue* might be another step
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<ciccio> gnue.pth not under /usr/local
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> try /usr/lib/*
<ciccio> no
<ciccio> i'm trying under / but this will take a while (240gb)
<chillywilly> hi
<reinhard> ciccio: most probably you would find it under /usr/lib/python2.3
<ciccio> this was a good guess: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gnue.pth
<reinhard> hehe
<reinhard> "guess" is good - actually I should have *known* it :)
<ciccio> human memory is error tolerant (as windows claims to be)
<reinhard> bbl
<ajmitch> morning
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<jcater> gifappel: I'll try to respond to your questions later tonight or in the morning
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