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<kilo> good morning
<reinhard> good morning
<kilo> reinhard: austrian comfort?
<reinhard> hehe
<ajmitch> hi
<ajmitch> reinhard: do you want me to delay the upload of a split common & forms to allow the current packages a chance to get into sarge? :)
<reinhard> you could upload the split packages to experimental until the current ones are in sarge
<reinhard> also, what came to my mind yesterday: what about splitting gnue-navigator, too?
<ajmitch> people use navigator?
<reinhard> lol
<reinhard> we must always expect the worst ;)
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<ajmitch> true :)
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<aries> hi
<kilo> hi aries
<aries> kilo: are there any reason why are you using tabledata instead tables in the gsd?
<kilo> ???
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<aries> kilo: you are using something dumped
<aries> kilo: invoice-hu.gsd
<aries> kilo: but this is not contain the relation between the tables
<aries> kilo: primary keys, etc
<kilo> the gcd files describe relations
<kilo> PK is always gnue_id
<kilo> constraints also come from the gcd
<kilo> I myself did not put in any index in the gcd files, but that is possible
<kilo> and the gsd contains some sample data only
<aries> kilo: i didn't know that
<aries> kilo: because gnue-common's devguide told me some info about the schemas
<aries> kilo: how can I help to improve the devguides? i (and the rest of the newbies) cannot do anything for gnue without them
<kilo> yes, you can use gsd files that way too, but in appserver development the use of gcd files is common
<kilo> aries: if you could sketch up a skeleton of what questions arose in you when first meeting gnue, it could help. what were the most important problems, etc
<aries> kilo: what I need now to fill the appendicies' fields, eg. "prequery", etc.
<aries> kilo: the next is to more clear why should we use appserver, when. Eg. as the above, I've question why not to describe the DBMS' relation in the gsd and why in the gcd
<kilo> ok, i noted them
<johannesV> aries, kilo: the main difference between gsd and gcd is, that the former does *not* update appserver's system-classes "gnue_module/class/property/...." where the latter does
<kilo> yes i know, /me is just a little bit slow today
<johannesV> aries, does this answer your question about gsd's, gcds ?
<kilo> i saw a man on tv telling he heard of some folk who sleep, and that it is good...
<johannesV> so you can use the following rule of thumb: if you want to use appserver you 'must' use gcd, otherwise you can use gsd
<aries> johannesV: ok, now it's clear, thanks
<aries> kilo: are you suffering insomnia? like most of the hungarian it workers? ;)
<kilo> no, i'm suffering a son-with-a-cold 8-)))
<aries> kilo: i think our job cannot done well if we aren't a bit workaholic
<aries> kilo: oh, robitusin? ;)
<aries> kilo: what a crap tv ad :)
<kilo> zyrtec, calcium, sedotusin, elixirum thymi composita 8-))
<kilo> tv ads are all crap
<kilo> they give you time to go to the loo and such...
<aries> kilo: i like some, like voda's :)
* aries likes the smart tv ads
<kilo> i would like to see whisky ads
<aries> kilo: nowadays i've seen some jack daniels ads
<kilo> that is booze, not whisky 8-))
<aries> kilo: and a johnny walker...
<kilo> that is also
<aries> kilo: pálinka is the best :)
<aries> kilo: szatmári plum pálinka
<kilo> www.laphroaig.com
<aries> hmm I never tasted it
<aries> how do you pronunce the company? :)
<kilo> la-frojgh
<kilo> or better kh in the end
<aries> láfrokh in hungarian? :)
<aries> kilo: what's about the price?
<aries> kilo: I don't see prices in their webshop
<kilo> you can buy one for cca 7500HUF+VAT, or 11000HUF in Cora
<aries> kilo: ehh
<aries> kilo: not cheat
<aries> kilo: not cheap
<kilo> good things are not cheap
<kilo> except GNUe of course 8-)))
<aries> kilo: :)
<kilo> you can buy a special Laphroaig signed by Prince Charles, about 650 GBP / bottle...
* aries is a bit fat, because he's like eat more than drink :)
<aries> kilo: the first time i drunked, I stole my dad's Chivas ;)
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<tiredbones> chillywilly: if your listing I finally figured out how to past my traceback. It's on the site http://rafb.net under tiredbones.
<ajmitch> hi
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<tiredbones> chillywilly: if your on the cannel; I finally figured out how to paste my traceback to http://rafb.net,
<tiredbones> it's under the name tiredbones.
<tiredbones> That is a nice service.
* ajmitch takes a look
<ajmitch> I wonder what encoding it expects
<ajmitch> possibly something like 'utf-8'
<ajmitch> looks like it
<reinhard> tiredbones: good news
<reinhard> tiredbones: I think I figured out what you have to do
<reinhard> please unset the LANGUAGE environment variable
<reinhard> and try again
<tiredbones> good morning . reinhard: just to let you know my LANGUAGE values are, en_US, en_GB an en.
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> separated with ":", right?
<reinhard> please unset LANGUAGE
<reinhard> and tell me if it works then
<tiredbones> reinhard: you the man! What lead you to that conclusion?
<reinhard> deep hacking
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> I would go so far to say that you found a bug in python
<reinhard> btami/kilo: can you remember what problem we had under windows with getlocale?
<kilo> instead of cp1250 it returned something like ... dunno. btami reboots to windoes
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<reinhard> specifically I wonder why we have to use getdefaultlocale at line 258 of i18n.py
<kilo> reinhard: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log.2004-09-19
<kilo> reinhard: locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL,"") returns hu_HU on Linux, Hungarian_Hungary.1250 on WinXP
<reinhard> kilo: ok thanks
<reinhard> you rock
<kilo> btami was the man (he was brave enough to boot to WinXP)
<reinhard> the bad thing is that getdefaultlocale is broken on Linux :((
<reinhard> I will add a few comments to i18n.py
<ajmitch> ouch
<ajmitch> that's nasty stuff there
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<ajmitch> reinhard: btw I've been approved as an ubuntu universe maintainer too ;)
<reinhard> for some time now debian-installer sets in /etc/environment a line like
<reinhard> LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en
<reinhard> for python's getdefaultlocale(), LANGUAGE has *highest* priority (before LANG or LC_ALL)
<reinhard> and it takes en_US as language part and en_GB as encoding
<reinhard> i.e. it interprets it as en_US.en_gb
<reinhard> like it would be en_US.iso-8859-1
<ajmitch> ah
<ajmitch> so that's why it wasn't getting the encoding part right
<reinhard> exactly
* ajmitch bows before master reinhard 
* reinhard is going to file a bug against python
<ajmitch> reinhard: I'll try & make sure that gnue is kept up to date in ubuntu up until freeze dates
<reinhard> ajmitch: cool
* reinhard bows before master ajmitch
<reinhard> :)
<ajmitch> heh :)
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<ajmitch> anyway, I should try & sleep again
<ajmitch> it's only about 1:30 :)
<ajmitch> night
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<btami> reinhard: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2003-April/002904.html
<btami> it's an old bug :(
<reinhard> btami: the really bad thing is we face two bugs here
<reinhard> getlocale is broken on windows
<reinhard> and getdefaultlocale is broken on linux :((
<btami> grrr
<johannesV> and what about mac ?
<kilo> and COmmodore 64?
<reinhard> johannesV: we won't be able to test that anyway...
<reinhard> kilo: lol
<johannesV> i'm playing with the idea to get a mac from somewhere ... just for testing with gnue :)
<btami> ntiffin knows, he was the mac man iirc
<johannesV> but atm i'm heavily fighting appserver and it's performance issues ...
<kilo> and i am the pac man
<btami> lol
<tiredbones> Is there any place I can find out what these abbreviation? Such as lol, rolf.
<reinhard> probably the jargon file
<reinhard> lol = laughing out loudly
<reinhard> rofl = rolling on the floor laughing
<reinhard> http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/
<tiredbones> tnks vry mch.
<dimas> tiredbones: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=rofl&Find=Find
<dimas> i like this one: AAAAA  American Association Against Acronym Abuse
<dimas> :)
<kilo> johannesV: is sourceorder working only in appserver dirver?
<johannesV> sourceorder ?
<kilo> s/sourceorder/sortorder
<johannesV> kilo, no sortorder is working for common as well
<kilo> so order_by i sdeprecated?
<johannesV> right
<kilo> okk thx
<johannesV> you should get depreciation warnings
<kilo> ok, editing GDataSource right now to get docs right
<johannesV> ?
<johannesV> you can have a look at the dtd-files to see the xml-syntax or you can read the mail i've sent regarding sortorder
<johannesV> (or you can ask me ... :)
<btami> docs=autogenerated tables to OOo
<kilo> i did not find the mail, that's why i asked you...
<johannesV> oh
<reinhard> committed a new i18n.py - could please everybody test on different systems?
<johannesV> kilo, where can i resend it to you ?
<reinhard> bbl
<kilo> johannesV: no need to bother about that, will continue work later
<johannesV> kilo, i've found your email ... will resend it now
<btami> btw, do you know how to inject tables generated by utils/doc-xml-attrs.openoffice.py ?
<btami> into dev-guide
<johannesV> btami, no i don't know that doc-xml-attrs.... thingy
<kilo> johannesV: thx
<johannesV> kilo, np, but i think i'll extend <sortorder> this week
<johannesV> where <sortfield>-tag get's another attribute "ignorecase=True|False"
<johannesV> (well, maybe it will be next week, since my wife's very ill atm)
<tiredbones> I hope she gets well soon.
<johannesV> yeah, me too ... thanks :)
<kilo> its OK AFA you write Description for the new tag
<tiredbones> I created a user gnue in postgres, I change pg_hba.conf to "local  all all trust"  and I'm getting the
<tiredbones> error - Fatal: IDENT authentication failed for uder gnue
<tiredbones> Should the pg_hba.conf be "host all 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.0 trust" istead of what I have now.
<tiredbones> I got the local all all trust form the docs.
<tiredbones> Oh well, I guest I'll change it. If you hear a big bang please remain calm.
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<mnemoc> can i use forms-5.9 with appserver-0.4?
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<btami> yes, but why not use forms-5.10 ?
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<btami> have to go, bbl
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<mnemoc> 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe1... <--- where encoding settings go?
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<tiredbones> Is there a script that creates the gnue db in appserver?
<johannesV> tiredbones, yes "gnue-schema --createdb gnue.gsd" (where gnue.gsd is in share-directory
<tiredbones> I found gnue-gsd in "/usr/local/gnu-cong/share/gnue/appserver",
<mnemoc> can i debug to stderr? which is the max debug level?
<tiredbones> the path above has a symbolic link to /usr/local/gnue/gnue-appserver/share, this does not exist.
<mnemoc> find /usr/local/gnu*/ -name gnue.gsd -type f
<tiredbones> I'm doing that now. Slow machine
<archivist> better to use locate it builds a database over night
<mnemoc> if the file has been there enough hours :)
<tiredbones> Ok, I found it in  /usr/share/gnue/appserver.
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<tiredbones> Ok, my GNUe Application Server is up and running.
<tiredbones> SachaS, I know the front part of your doc is out of date, but how about the back end?
<tiredbones> Now that I have the server up, how do I use it?
<tiredbones> I'm going to be point out thing I find questionable in the doc.I'm going to do it here so that it gets
<tiredbones> record in the logs. Is this ok?
<jamest> tiredbones: yes
<reinhard> tiredbones, mnemoc, archivist: any questions currently? I'm here for a couple of minutes
<mnemoc> reinhard: nope :)
<mnemoc> reinhard: thanks ;)
<archivist> at work working :(( so no
<tiredbones> I'm ok. I think?
<tiredbones> besides, I'm in such lovely company.
<tiredbones> have to take my kids to piano lessons. drum row please - bbl
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<reinhard> ok, off again
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<lekma> hi all
<kilo> hi lekma
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<lekma> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/threading.py", line 436, in __bootstrap
<lekma> DB000:     self.run()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/var/lib/gnue/gecocer/xul/forms.py", line 48, in run
<lekma> DB000:     self.obj = self.attrs.getXulAttrs (self.obj, self.item)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/var/lib/gnue/gecocer/xul/attributes.py", line 135, in getXulAttrs
<lekma> DB000:     attribs = self.__session.find (klass, cond, [], props)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/Session.py", line 119, in find
<lekma> DB000:     properties)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/ObjectList.py", line 48, in __init__
<lekma> DB000:     self.__buildList ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/ObjectList.py", line 108, in __buildList
<lekma> DB000:     self.__populateList ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/ObjectList.py", line 118, in __populateList
<lekma> DB000:     rset = sm.fetch (sid, self.__list_id, len (self.__list), self.__cacheStep,0)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSessionManager.py", line 286, in fetch
<lekma> DB000:     return s.fetch (list_id, start, count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSession.py", line 439, in fetch
<lekma> DB000:     return list.fetch (start, count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 254, in fetch
<lekma> DB000:     self.__fillupFunc (start + count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 76, in __fillupFunc
<lekma> DB000:     return self.__fillupUnsorted (count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 133, in __fillupUnsorted
<lekma> DB000:     current = self.__getInstance ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 163, in __getInstance
<lekma> DB000:     record = self.__recordset.nextRecord ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 969, in nextRecord
<lekma> DB000:     rec = self.__nextBackendRecord ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 1080, in __nextBackendRecord
<lekma> DB000:     beRec = self.__resultSet.firstRecord ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/datasources/drivers/Base/ResultSet.py", line 175, in firstRecord
<lekma> DB
<lekma> non-blocking but quite strange cause it happens always for the same request
<lekma> and only
<lekma> if the request is in a thread
<lekma> ??
<ajmitch> argh, huge flood
<lekma> indeed
<lekma> :)
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<mnemoc_> hi, how can i reference field be a selectable dropdown-alike on a form?
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<lekma> another one that happens when threading calls
<lekma> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/threading.py", line 436, in __bootstrap
<lekma> DB000:     self.run()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/var/lib/gnue/gecocer/xul/forms.py", line 48, in run
<lekma> DB000:     self.obj = self.attrs.getXulAttrs (self.obj, self.item)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/var/lib/gnue/gecocer/xul/attributes.py", line 148, in getXulAttrs
<lekma> DB000:     attribs = self.__session.find (klass, cond, [], props)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/Session.py", line 119, in find
<lekma> DB000:     properties)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/ObjectList.py", line 48, in __init__
<lekma> DB000:     self.__buildList ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/ObjectList.py", line 108, in __buildList
<lekma> DB000:     self.__populateList ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/language/ObjectList.py", line 118, in __populateList
<lekma> DB000:     rset = sm.fetch (sid, self.__list_id, len (self.__list), self.__cacheStep,0)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSessionManager.py", line 286, in fetch
<lekma> DB000:     return s.fetch (list_id, start, count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSession.py", line 439, in fetch
<lekma> DB000:     return list.fetch (start, count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 254, in fetch
<lekma> DB000:     self.__fillupFunc (start + count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 76, in __fillupFunc
<lekma> DB000:     return self.__fillupUnsorted (count)
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 133, in __fillupUnsorted
<lekma> DB000:     current = self.__getInstance ()
<lekma> DB000:   File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasList.py", line 177, in __getInstance
<lekma> DB000:     self.__recordset.close ()
<lekma> DB000: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'close'
<lekma> D
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