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<btami> good morning
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<kilo> good morning
<reinhard> good morning
<kilo> hi reinhard
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<kilo> reinhard: u here?
<reinhard> kilo: yes
<reinhard> well, depends
<reinhard> if you have a bug report, then no
<reinhard> ;)
<kilo> atm i am working on config files for each tool
<kilo> so that a sample.gnue.conf could be generated from them
<reinhard> you mean autogenerated config files?
<kilo> what do you think would be the best way to handle those entries that are deprecated (ie cannot be found in the src other place but only G?Config.py)?
<kilo> yes
<reinhard> like what I wrote to BUGS?
<kilo> aye
<reinhard> I think a config option should be marked clearly as deprecated in G?Config.py
<reinhard> and deprecated options should not be contained in the sample file
<reinhard> btw: cool :)
<kilo> what if i comment them
<reinhard> I was thinking about something like smb.conf
<reinhard> all sample config file would be commented anyway
<kilo> i mean what if i comment them out
<kilo> the deprecated ones
<kilo> and they would not be included in the sample conf file
<reinhard> I really would not even mention them
<reinhard> huh?
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> you mean comment them out in the python code
<reinhard> ?
<kilo> yes
<kilo> they are not mentioned anywhere else
<reinhard> not sure what that would mean to somebody having such an option still lying around in his gnue.conf
<kilo> so noone uses them
<reinhard> wouldn't the parer create an error message?
<kilo> dunno
<reinhard> if not, then I',m all for commenting them out
<kilo> ok, will look after that
<reinhard> another point is the deprecated options that are still in effect
<reinhard> like "database" for appserver (deprecated alias for "connection")
<reinhard> those shouldn't be mentioned in the sample, either (IMHO)
<reinhard> I was thinking the sample gnue.conf like
<reinhard> [section]
<reinhard> # Set this to "bar" if you want to frobnicate your program
<reinhard> ; foo = baz
<reinhard> i.e. expanatory comments with #
<reinhard> the actual option line commented out with ;
<kilo> is ; also commenting out?
<reinhard> and all ; lines showing the default config
<reinhard> yes, it's like in smb.conf
<kilo> ok, gonna write a tool to generate the conf file then
<reinhard> and I like the concept (from smb.conf) to use # as a comment and ; for commented out option lines
<reinhard> that's cool
<kilo> will follow this style then, it is really clearer then the current one we us
<kilo> s/us/use
<reinhard> crazy world - I write something in BUGS and you fix it - usually it's the other way around ;-)
<kilo> lol
<kilo> but it is not a bug 8-)))
<kilo> reinhard: seems like if there is an entry in gnue.conf that is not included in G?Config.py, it is not parsed and GConfig does not report any errors
<reinhard> ok, then I would not only comment out the not-anymore-used stuff from G?Config, I would actually delete it
<kilo> ok, brute-force mode ON 8-))
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<lekma> hi all
<lekma> reinhard: if you read this huge show stopper here
<lekma> searching through calc prop
<lekma> works fine when you have just a few object
<lekma> when you get real and search
<lekma> through thousand objects
<lekma> it borks lamentably with a too long traceback to past here
<reinhard> can you mail the traceback to reinhard at gnue dot org?
<lekma> yep
<lekma> not right now though
<lekma> i have people around complaining
<lekma> i need to sort things a bit
<reinhard> ok
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<btami> jamest/reinhard: what do you think about removing samples-0.4.0.tar.gz from downloads at all ?
<btami> it contains samples from 2002 !!!
<btami> someone reported this to hungarian gnue-list
<btami> he was fighting them 1-2 hours until he noticed that the forms tags are changed
<reinhard> thre is a hungarian gnue list??
<reinhard> cool
<reinhard> btw I'm ok with it
<reinhard> as well as I would be ok with removing it from cvs
<reinhard> along with other samples that don't work any more (forms/samples probably containing some candidates)
<archivist> more sensible to UPDATE and correct
<reinhard> archivist: true
<btami> ok
<reinhard> archivist: but also more work
<reinhard> :)
<reinhard> and I'd prefer few well maintained samples above a lot of ill maintained ones
<reinhard> same holds for documentation btw
<reinhard> I'm not sure if gnue-docbook contains *any* documentation that's still valid
<btami> reinhard: aries was kind enough to provide the list
<btami> http://tepsi.mindworks.hu/mailman/listinfo/gnue-list
<reinhard> ok, I'll look if I find something interesting in the archive
<reinhard> .... erm ... ;-)
<btami> lol
<btami> reinhard: may i remove samples-0.4.0.tar.gz from www/downloads at all ?
<btami> or just the simlonk from current ?
<btami> s/lonk/link
<reinhard> it won't help removing the symlink
<reinhard> as it will be recreated at next web page rebuild :)
<btami> ok, thx
<btami> done
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<SachaS> “They say if you play a Microsoft CD backwards, you hear satanic messages.
<SachaS> Thats nothing, cause if you play it forwards, it installs Windows.”
<reinhard> rofl
<SachaS> ;)
<btami> bbl
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<jamest> hmmmm
<jamest> if defaultToLast is set on a field
<jamest> those fields are not tagged as modified and so are not saved
<jamest> which is wrong
<jamest> but if I fix that then when default to last is used a new blank record with only default values set will be tagged for commit
<jamest> which, while closer to correct still seems kinda kludgy
<reinhard> jamest: create a new method "isModified"
<reinhard> for GFField
<reinhard> that returns self.__modifiedFlag or self.defaultToLast
<reinhard> ?
<reinhard> bbl
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<lekma> reinhard: i sent you the mail
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<lekma> for the logs:
<lekma> we need a tool that is able to recreate gcds from db
<lekma> well, i think it would be useful
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<reinhard> night all
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<Java_script> greetings - This is my first ever IRC. Yes, I'm an IRC virgin :]
<ajmitch> hi
<Java_script> Interested in gnue for use in some complex business applications. Anybody know about 'Business Object Servers' or eMatrix PLM systems?
<ajmitch> sorry, I don't :)
<ajmitch> I think a number of people are probably away at the moment
<Java_script> Ah.
<Java_script> What's a good time / day?
<ajmitch> morning/day in europe seems to be a good time to catch some of the more active developers
<Java_script> sweet ...  thanks
<Java_script> I assume you use gnue?
<ajmitch> yes, but not much at the moment
<ajmitch> only for much simpler apps
* ajmitch is still at uni so hasn't had time to use it much for work :)
<Java_script> Yea, my applications are extremely complex for business applications called Product Lifecycle Management systems. I work for a big F500 company and we're interested in some cost cutting measures to reduce our crazy licencing costs. GNUe seems like a nice start. I'm also looking to start up an Open Source group to satisfy my specific business need.
<ajmitch> I'd suggest you talk to reinhard or perhaps jamest/jcater when they're around
<ajmitch> also the mailing lists can be helpful
<Java_script> Thanks for your time. Caio :]
<ajmitch> no problems :)
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<Java_script> oops. let me try that again ....
<mnemoc> /part #gnuenterprise
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