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<derek> anyone in here using ubuntu?
<ajmitch> yep
<derek> do you like it?
<ajmitch> yep
<derek> and have you made gnue packages for it yet?
<ajmitch> nope
<ajmitch> I use debian packages for it
<derek> you're fired
<derek> ;)
<ajmitch> ok
<derek> so why ubuntu over debian
* ajmitch orphans all his gnue packages ;)
<ajmitch> because it's a nice desktop system that's quite smooth
<ajmitch> and lots of things just work
* derek just got a new laptop from work and have been hankering to try something other than "raw" debian, but not brave enough to leave debian's comfort ;)
<derek> so was going to try ubuntu
<ajmitch> instead of spending a week or so hacking around in debian
<derek> damn livecd doesnt work for me (warty) so now downloading hoary array 5
<ajmitch> I can make gnue packages for ubuntu, but there'd really be no point :)
<derek> if i can get the livecd to work and it looks good (and many of things just "work") then i will install it on this box
<derek> looks like this laptop is not linux friendly in many ways, but ubuntu appears to have it documented fairly well and no where does "compiling a kernel" seem necessary ;)
<derek> i just know i cant handle windows only on here for very long...
<ajmitch> I'm not going to bother with compiling kernels for this system
<ajmitch> what's the new laptop?
<derek> dell latitude d505
<ajmitch> ok
<derek> beggars can't be choosers when work gives them out
<ajmitch> I can suspend-to-ram my dell latitude just fine with hoary now
<ajmitch> haven't tried hibernation to disk
<derek> i never had that work on my old latitude (under debian)
<derek> so i dont think it will be an issue :)
<ajmitch> mine is an old latitude :)
<derek> so how is university going?
<ajmitch> are you a gnome or kde fan?
<derek> gnome
<ajmitch> uni is going ok
<derek> im thinking that ubuntu is basically gnome desktop
<ajmitch> good, ubuntu has a nice gnome desktop
<derek> i.e. gnome focus
<derek> which is why i wanted to check it out
<ajmitch> I've put ubuntu on 2 of my 3 machines here now
<ajmitch> got to go, bbl
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<reinhard> derek: you still here?
<reinhard> FWIW, here an ubuntu fan, too
<reinhard> reason: again the "just works" - I've got hardware to run on that machine I don't have the slightest idea *how* it works
<reinhard> just plugged it in and it was there :)
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<btami> good morning
<reinhard> good morning
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<kilo> good morning
<lekma> morning everyone
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<lekma> reinhard: i don't know if you read the logs, just to confirm the patch you sent me fixed my pb
<lekma> and i decided to follow your advice
<reinhard> lekma: yes, saw it
<lekma> and put data instead of calc props
<lekma> where it need searching
<lekma> newbee mistake
<reinhard> thanks for testing it :)
<lekma> :)
<reinhard> lekma: well, calculated properties are a nice thing, but you need to be *very* careful to not kill all your performance
<reinhard> because *every single* access to that calc prop runs the code
<lekma> btw when a procedure causes a deadlock the all server is killed
<lekma> there is a comment in the code
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> a TODO
<reinhard> procedures should run in their own process
<reinhard> not even own threads would help
<lekma> :)
<reinhard> AFAICT
<ajmitch> hi
<btami> hi
<btami> btw. ajmitch/reinhard: have you got any ideas how the (deb) packaging will split forms, common etc.
<btami> will the svn tree be restructured?
<btami> or what?
<ajmitch> no, svn shouldn't be changed
<ajmitch> just 'binary' packages for debian
<btami> now setup.py install copyes all src
<btami> i don't know nothing how deb creating works
<ajmitch> the only change is that I'll move files into separate packages after setup.py install is done into a temporary treee
<btami> ah
<btami> i see
<btami> just asked, koz i'm maintaining UHU-Linux packages, and want to fallow the new structures of your splitted packages
<reinhard> ajmitch: how you're coming along with that BTW?
<reinhard> all packages in SID now
<reinhard> so you could at least upload appserver 0.4
<reinhard> and maybe split packages to experimental?
<reinhard> err no
<reinhard> appserver has no split :)
<btami> btw. where is experimental in debian?
<ajmitch> reinhard: had no time, exam this morning & another tomorrow
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> so I wish you all the best for your exams :)
* btami feels with aj
<ajmitch> thanks :)
<ajmitch> appserver & common just went into sarge (0.3.5 of appserver)
<reinhard> yes saw that, thanks!
<ajmitch> what's currently out of date?
<ajmitch> just appserver, it appears
* ajmitch will upload 0.4.0 as-is now
<ajmitch> without all the init.d magic that you want, it can come once I've done exams ;)
<reinhard> ajmitch: that's great
<ajmitch> uploading
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<btami> bbl
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<reinhard> kilo: you rock
<kilo> ah, thx, i will print that and put it over my bed 8-))))
<kilo> some little things remain though, but i will do that only after my coffee
<kilo> it generates the smaple.gnue.conf file in the utils dir. should i put it directly into common/etc?
<reinhard> if you look at my last commit I already worked around that :)
<reinhard> I think it's ok generating the file in the current dir
<reinhard> that way you can generate where you want
<kilo> ah, ok, svn upped right now
<kilo> i see
<kilo> bbl
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<lekma> off for today
<lekma> bye
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<derek_> reinhard i have live cd burnt as of this am
<derek_> looks like it probably is a coaster
<derek_> grrr this whole bittorrent (Sit and wait) then fail sucks
<derek_> i am going to reboot and see if auto recognizes the cd
<derek_> haha
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<dere1> wow
<dere1> it just works :)
<dere1> if i can get all the goodies working under live cd
<dere1> i think my shiny new laptop has a new friend
<chillywi1ly> what are you booting?
<dere1> ubuntu
<chillywi1ly> cool
<chillywi1ly> how's it going?
<dere1> well it booted
<dere1> but i dont see the "app" to configure network card
<dere1> i didnt have cable plugged in so it didnt work and i think i have download something to get wireless to work
<chillywi1ly> system->administration->networking
<dere1> ah i was in configuration editor
<dere1> so i take it you are running ubuntu
<chillywi1ly> it tries to bring the network up automagically
<chillywi1ly> yes I am
<dere1> do you know if there is a way to convert a machine to ubuntu from debian
<dere1> it wants password
<dere1> but live cd
<dere1> so not sure
<chillywi1ly> I don't think there is a way to do that
<dere1> will try ubuntu
<chillywi1ly> oh...yea I don't know what the live cd user password is either
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<dere1> unbuntu worked
<chillywi1ly> ubuntu lets you run everything as root w/ sudo but makes you type your password in
<dere1> yeah
<dere1> at least i know onboard net works
<dere1> i don't see the wireless card
<dere1> i saw that you had to download something special
<dere1> wonder how that works
* dere1 is seriously addicted to wireless now
<chillywi1ly> are you using WEP?
<chillywi1ly> or WPA
* chillywi1ly is addicted to making things secure ;)
<chillywi1ly> WPA w/ TKIP rules
<dere1> um beats me
<chillywi1ly> heh
<dere1> at this point i was so greatful to get it working i didnt care
<chillywi1ly> you are probably wide open to the world then ;)
<dere1> never got it reliable under linux
<dere1> not completely open to world
<dere1> but damn close
* chillywi1ly hops on dere1's wifi ;)
<dere1> well i have rules keepign others off my systems
<dere1> but nothing really preventing from using the bandwidth
<chillywi1ly> retricted by MAC address?
<dere1> im a hippy like that anyhow
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<dere1> yes by MAC
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<chillywi1ly> restricted
* chillywi1ly changes his MAC address ;-o
<dere1> i planned on getting WEP working but wanted to get ubuntu configured and working first
<dere1> hmm wonder if i can get firewire to work on this box
<dere1> okay chilly you are guru
<dere1> do you know if broadcom corp bcm4306 wireless works on linux
<dere1> crikey like several things are on irq 11
<dere1> that is not good
<dere1> i think i have to pass the damn apci=off flag
<chillywi1ly> no idea
<dere1> grrr
<dere1> which sucks bananas
<chillywi1ly> I think there is a driver
<dere1> i am going to set acpi=off
<dere1> and reboot
<dere1> see what i get
<dere1> i have parallel port already disable (per suggestion of d600 install)
<dere1> looks awesome.. problem is i will likely fall in love with it
<dere1> and then want to convert my wife's pc
<dere1> which is NEVER fun...
<dere1> will just need to buy her a new one :)
<chillywi1ly> looks like you can also use ndiswrapper and the mfg. driver maybe
<dere1> right
<dere1> but to get sound and stuff working have to turn of apci
<dere1> if i can get wireless working likely i will be installing for real
<dere1> you running warty or hoary
<chillywi1ly> hoary
<chillywi1ly> some day I will buy a linksys wrt54g
<dere1> cool i grabbed array 5 (?) new terminology so getting used to the lingo
<chillywi1ly> I have no idea what that stuff actually means ;)
<chillywi1ly> hoary is to be officially released in March, afaik
* chillywi1ly tries hard to understand his own code ;)
<dere1> hmm no wlan detected
<dere1> ho do you "add devices"
<dere1> in the network settings box?
<chillywi1ly> no idea ;)
<dere1> hmm device manager
<chillywi1ly> that's just the gnome tool
<dere1> shows up in the gnome tool
<dere1> grr so how the hell do you get it in the network deal
<chillywi1ly> I have yet to setup linux w/ wireless
<chillywi1ly> can't afford the equipment
<dere1> well i just want to know why it doesnt see the card so i can configure
<dere1> tehre is no "add"
<chillywi1ly> does it show it in lspci -v ?
<dere1> yip
<dere1> i think i will have to break down and just make a partition on here and isntall ubuntu for real
<dere1> and iron out the issues
<dere1> i got LAN eth working so i can at least function :)
<dere1> doing a sound test
<dere1> if it passes then sound, eth and video all work
<dere1> which is enough to start
<chillywi1ly> are you at home?
<dere1> yeah
<chillywi1ly> slacker ;)
<dere1> thats me
<chillywi1ly> I think it is time for some lunch
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<reinhard> night all
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<WC> lurking
<dere1> does it pay well?
<archivist> yea also lurking
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