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<kilo> good morning
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<holycow> hey kilo :)
<kilo> hoho
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<ciccio> Hi. I think I have found a bug in appserver/forms (in the version provided currently by debian sid). To reproduce: 1. open the sample form of the application server. 2. open the page Country. 3. Perform a query with results (e.g., % in Code) 4. Switch to the Person page. 5. Fill in a new record 6. click on "insert new record into current block" (this works)
<ciccio> 7. click on "save all changes to the database". This gives at least two different errors, one complaining about a property not found, the other something about a null type. Steps 5 and 6 can be repeated before step 7. When clearing the form on page "Country" before filling in the form on page "Person" everythings seems to work.
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<reinhard> ciccio: strange, will try to look at it later
<reinhard> thanks for reporting in any case
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<ciccio> thanks. I've everything right in front of me, if you need any test, just tell me. Also, gnue-readgcd is generally not enough, I have to restart the application server.
<reinhard> ciccio: you should be able to send a SIGHUP signal to appserver instead of restarting it
<ciccio> I'll try this the next time. Another question: What about EDI? Is there any way to use deal with EDI on linux in general and with GNUe in particular?
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<reinhard> ciccio: should be no problem to get some data exported or fed into gnue
<ciccio> I have no idea what EDI is, there is someone how asked me about EDI and Linux, while I'm trying to think also in GNUe. What would it take to export/feed? Is there a library? Is it possible to code something in a reasonable amount of time?
<ciccio> BTW, EDI is a transport protocol or a data format?
<reinhard> EDI is a buzzword ;-)
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<reinhard> EDI means "electronic data interchange" and relates, in the original sense of this abbreviation, to everything where data is exported in one system and imported in another
<reinhard> some people mean XML when they say EDI
<reinhard> some mean UN/EDIFACT when they say EDI
<reinhard> but by far the most don't even know what they mean but they say it because it sounds cool
<reinhard> :)
<ciccio> hm. no. It's a transport company working with Honda and which seem to have client software interfacing with the Honda computers using EDI. My guess is, that it is a dataformat, but I'm not sure.
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<lekma> hi all
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<jamest> reinhard: i started work on making GSetup work for non-gnue applications
<jamest> would you have a moment to look at what I've done before I commit it
<jamest> also, i noticed last night that setup.py clean doesn't work
<jamest> is that by design?
<reinhard> setup.py clean?
<reinhard> didn't even know that this exists
<jamest> removes the build dir
<reinhard> I'm not sure when I would have time to look at your changes, but I'd say just committ it
<reinhard> I can look at the commit mail
<jamest> ok, but I"m not sure my changes are what would be "right"
<reinhard> I'll look at it
<jamest> i'm committing
<jamest> my main issue was that GSetup.py hard codes a gnue.paths reference
<jamest> and i wasn't sure the cleanest way to override that
<reinhard> it's been a long time that I've done that, so I don't know off hand either :)
<jamest> :)
<jamest> commited
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<btami> jamest: i can't see any colors in viewcvs diffs
<btami> can you ?
<jamest> checking
<jamest> gack!
<jamest> no, i can't
<ciccio> Yet another question about appserver example: How would I have to modify that example to be able to insert a new record into the Country class using the Person page? Or is this impossible at all?
<jamest> btami: i'll see what I can do
<reinhard> ciccio: I am not sure I understand how you would like to insert a new country in the person page
<btami> jamest: ok, thx
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<ciccio> reinhard: The Person page, if I got it right, displays the master table, replacing the foreign key by the columns of the detail table. So if I fill in the master table and reach the details which don't exist yet in that table, I might want to update that table too. Thus, I am thinking of a form which allows me to insert data into more than one table at a time.
<reinhard> you can do master detail forms
<reinhard> but person - country is no master - detail relationship
<reinhard> at least not in the sense that person is master and country is detail
<ciccio> is there anywhere a text which actually explains master/detail? I thought that was the GNUe equivalent to primary/foreign keys
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<chillywilly> anyone know if it is possible to get multiple vnc displays on windows xp?
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<jamest> chillywilly: ?
<chillywilly> nevermind, windows sucks ;)
<wendall911> chillywilly: rdesktop on Linux :)
<wendall911> chillywilly: or equivalent
<wendall911> chillywilly: faster anyhow
<chillywilly> hmmm?
<chillywilly> problem is we have a stupid windows xp machine because we have to document some windows apps and there's no way to get multiple session/logins for an xp box without paying through the nose
<chillywilly> it's a joke of a multi-user system
<chillywilly> imho
<chillywilly> if this was linux one could simply use LTSP and/or run multiple vnc server instances
<jamest> chillywilly: low usage?
<chillywilly> whatcha mean?
<jamest> the windows box
<chillywilly> I was using it to take screenshot s of the apps and making impress slides for a user guide
<chillywilly> OOo 2.0 beta
<jamest> i'm asking if the windows box you must share is low usage
<chillywilly> we have all the source code for these apps on this box and some other things now
<jamest> what we do here for a low usage app that charges per machine installed
<jamest> is have 1 box and coordinate usage via jabber
<chillywilly> oh, yea well that is not ideal ;)
<chillywilly> but for now we just tell each other to get out ;)
<chillywilly> we have a company IRC server
<chillywilly> I was just wondering if there was any other way to have multiple desktop sessions without getting raped by M$
<wendall911> chillywilly: IIRC there was a patch added for XP to do this, but only recently. I think it wasn't possible before because they totally had the multi-user stuff screwed up well beyond reason.
<wendall911> maybe sp2
<chillywilly> I heard that rumor too but now they say it is not in sp2 anymore
<chillywilly> I made user accont for all 4 of us but you can only have one remote desktop session
<chillywilly> it's really lame
<wendall911> chillywilly: heh, probably can't make it work since they are building on a over a decade of bad code
<chillywilly> I hate licensing
<chillywilly> haha
<wendall911> chillywilly: what about using cygwin and vnc?
<chillywilly> hmmm, nautilus has problems browsing smb shares too
<wendall911> chillywilly: or cygwin and whatever is available?
<chillywilly> not sure how that would work
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<chillywilly> you mean run X on windoze?
<chillywilly> with cygwin
<wendall911> chillywilly: I browser smb shares fine in my nautilus ... 2.8.2
<chillywilly> I have 2.9.92
<wendall911> chillywilly: sure, why not :)
<wendall911> chillywilly: can't be any slower than vnc
<chillywilly> but that would not allow us to run windows apps would it?
<wendall911> the pointer will eventually get there
<chillywilly> sound like a pain to setup too
<wendall911> chillywilly: I think you can run it in a nested window iirc
<wendall911> chillywilly: oh, cygwin is simple as heck
<wendall911> chillywilly: since you are accustomed to linux, it would be simple
<chillywilly> problem I ma having with nautilus is that is prompts for a password when I go to grab a file or try to change into a folder on the smb share
<chillywilly> I hit OK with nothing in there and it just pops back up again
<chillywilly> I setup samba to be in the same workgroup
<chillywilly> gah, it's annoying
<wendall911> I don't use workgroups, but works fine with a normal share setup for me...prompts for keyring password and lets me in just fine
<chillywilly> do you just hit ok with nothing filled in?
<chillywilly> danielb@delrin:~$ smbclient //Sarbox/D
<chillywilly> Password:
<chillywilly> Anonymous login successful
<chillywilly> Domain=[CORPORATE] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
<chillywilly> tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
<chillywilly> blah
<jamest> chillywilly: if only you still used kde
* jamest runs
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* chillywilly doesn't think that has anything to do with the desktop
<chillywilly> obviously samba is not configured correctly
<chillywilly> hmm, nope I was now able to get in with smbclient
<havoc> samba is tricky with nt/2k/xp
<havoc> I can't get "guest" logins to work for the life of me at home (with linux as client)
<havoc> but if I use a user/pass it works fine
<chillywilly> bleh
<havoc> but I can access the shares without logging in fine from other win2k boxes
<havoc> not a big deal, but annoying
<chillywilly> now I get an error...wtf
<chillywilly> can't get in now
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<reinhard> jamest: I think your commit is ok
<jamest> ok, thanks
<jamest> i'm not sure what to do about the paths.py
<jamest> as that is created by a the custom seutp.py in common
<reinhard> what do you mean?
<reinhard> more parameters like those in paths.py?
<jamest> in GSetup.py it imports paths.py from gnue
<jamest> my commit makes it so that you can override that install class
<jamest> and make a custom finialize options
<jamest> but I'd prefer to make it so that GSetup doesn't require me to inherit GSetup.install and override finalize_options
<jamest> it'd also be nice if the logic that builds paths.py was in GSetup somehow
<jamest> so that other apps could benefit from it
<jamest> but i didn't have time to dig into that at all
<reinhard> ah so the main point is you want an application that doesn't get installed into the gnue dir?
<jamest> right
<jamest> here is a sample
<reinhard> jamest: then I seriously doubt it makes much sense to use GSetup.py at all
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<reinhard> as AFAICT exactly that is the main point of it
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<jamest> i thought GSetup made it easy to do app installs
<jamest> where as distutils (when gnue started) was horrible at anything but module installs
<reinhard> well
<jamest> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/adrius/age/setup.py?rev=118&view=markup
<jamest> is my test code from last night
<reinhard> a quick look at GSetup.py tells me that actually 3 things are handled by GSetup that distutils can't:
<reinhard> a. translation generation magic (which I bet you give a damn about)
<jamest> but internally i want to move from my manual cp of apps
<jamest> to real setup.py based installs
<jamest> as now I manually copy files to where they need to be
<reinhard> b. finding out the install target path from paths.py (which is what you don't need anyway)
<jamest> which sucks with bigger apps
<reinhard> and c. finding out a list of installable python modules (which maybe could be separated out)
* reinhard looking at your url
<jamest> Amorphous: here at ajrs, no, i don't care. but in that sample I do
<jamest> er reinhard
<jamest> btami: it'd be nice if that was generic, so that I could say default = /usr/local/gnue or /usr/local/adrius and all the logic in common's setup.py to build path does it with whatever I'm working with (like at ajrs i have /usr/local/ajrs)
<jamest> grrrrrr
<jamest> fwiw i started the first one with a: and the second with b:
<jamest> not irc names :)
<reinhard> lol
<jamest> c i don't understand
<jamest> what you are saying
<jamest> also, fwiw all my internal apps here are now common based
<reinhard> with plain distutils you have to give a complete list of packages to install (like datasources, datasources.drivers, datasources.drivers.adoapi, datasources.drivers.appserver, ....)
<reinhard> GSetup.py autobuilds that list
<jamest> i'm in the process of migrating a dbase based app to gnue as it's dbase dos and locks up on windows xp
<jamest> the computer it runs on is no longer being shut down at night as it doesn't always come back up
<jamest> so it's a priority :)
<reinhard> I think it might make sense to split up GSetup.py into two classes, one doing the very basic stuff and one adding the GNUe specific parts
<jamest> but it would be slick if GSetup made maintaining installs of my gnue based apps here and projects like adrius easy
<reinhard> but again I think I would need some time to dig back into distutils
<jamest> not a huge deal
<reinhard> I remember once understanding how all this works, but it's a long time :-)
<reinhard> so I won't object if you need to help yourself
<jamest> yeah, i started reading distutils source last night
<jamest> i may keep tinkering with it on my own time but input masks are the 1st big thing i'll be diving into
<jamest> as i needed them before the dbase app issue
<jamest> and dbase app is also accounting based
<jamest> the accountants don't like seeing $3.50, $1.12, $14.00 as 3.5, 1.12, 14 in a gnue form :)
<jamest> but are living with it until I get the port done as without that computer they wouldn't have a working Accounts Receivable :)
* reinhard is waiting desperately for input masks
<jamest> as am I
<mnemoc> what that 'wait' means?
<mnemoc> is someone coding it?
<jamest> i started reading the code a few weeks ago
<reinhard> no, we wait for a fairy doing it ;-)
<jamest> input mask code is in common
<jamest> jcater wrote the general library
<mnemoc> i can't get used to python yet :(
<jamest> but it's not complete and he lost the forms code he was testing with
<jamest> the fewl
<jamest> :)
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<jamest> so it'll involve decipering jcater code (never easy)
<jamest> figuring out what is there and isn't
<jamest> and then grafting back into forms
<mnemoc> is it possible to write obscure on python?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> if you mean write code that is hard to read
<mnemoc> yes
<jamest> read gnue-reports sometime :)
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<btami> night all
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<reinhard> night all
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