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<dimas> hi kilo
<dimas> kilo: do you have gnue-pim working?
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<kilo> good morning
<kilo> hi dimas
<kilo> errrm, gnue-pim is HIGHLY in test labs
<kilo> ie it does not work...
<kilo> but i would be glad to work on that soon
<kilo> why do you ask?
<dimas> sorry, was on the phone
<dimas> i hit some problem when trying to use procedure similar or equal :) to AdPe.add
<kilo> hehehe
<kilo> it is problematic, yes
<dimas> remembered that lekma asked for some quick fix couple of days ago
<dimas> and seems like it was not committed
<dimas> yet
<dimas> <johannesV> -          if tables.has_key (constraint):
<dimas> <johannesV> +          if constraint != table and tables.has_key (constraint):
<dimas> <johannesV>              deps.append (constraint)
<dimas> <johannesV>
<dimas> <johannesV>      # Now create an ordered sequence taking care of dependencies
<dimas> <lekma> thx
<dimas> <johannesV> that's all ... but with this patch you have to make sure to keep a proper order in the added instances
<dimas> <johannesV> so you have to do parent = new (), child = new (); child.parent = parent
<dimas> <johannesV> then everything's fine
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<elwis> I might have [insert dirty word] up!
<elwis> my .gfd only let me login, and then wrote "killed" to the screen
<elwis> so I updated gnue-forms with nightly snapshot- then it killed X for me :)
<dimas> never saw that
<elwis> so I updated gnue-common with nighttly snapshot
<elwis> now it tells me >>> from gnue.forms import GFClient
<elwis> Traceback (most recent call last):
<elwis>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
<elwis> ImportError: No module named forms
<elwis> *sigh*
<elwis> anymore updates needed or screwy snapshot?
<reinhard> you sure you installed the new snapshot to the same location like the old one was?
<elwis> I did the same procedure as with the 0309 packages
<elwis> unpacke ./setup.py install
<elwis> *yeey*
<elwis> I find my common package inside /usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue>
<elwis> and it all alone in there, the only folder?
<reinhard> so you previously installed common and forms to some other location
<reinhard> you mixed up snapshot with deb installs?
<elwis> Nopes, I only installed tar.gz on this one (office-suse)
<elwis> looka like the other ones are in /usr/local/gnue/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gnue>
<elwis> So I'll just try to copy the common over then
<elwis> didn't help :(
<elwis> rm -Rf /usr/local/gnue perhaps...
<reinhard> just wanted to suggest that
<reinhard> also search for a file named gnue.pth and remove that, too
<reinhard> then reinstall common and forms
<elwis> That's what I'll do, I take all the 0326 packages and run my ./setup.py after some cleaning
<elwis> then hopoefully Iä'll get a nice screenie form the pstgres_article.gfd with the nice SuSe GTk theme
<elwis> they actually look kind of early 90's on my Ubuntu Gnome ;)
<elwis> *sorry for my spelling - this keyboard should go down the trashcan*
<elwis> there are no gnue.pth on my system according to "find"
<elwis> which of course wasn't true.. since I found one in /usr/lib - sorry for that and
<elwis> now I'll close my daily nagging...
<reinhard> :)
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<elwis> Tally-Ho, it doesn't kill X, now it's just tells me "killed" after 5 minutes of screeching in the harddisk :)
<kilo> isnt it something with splashcreen?
<elwis> I remember this proplem.. think Iäll had it before..
<kilo> disable splash
<kilo> in gnue.conf
<reinhard> or -s
<reinhard> IIRC
<kilo> some problem with PIL
* kilo searched in his memory which is a BIG task...
<elwis> Grr lousy bootsplash appears anyway .. now I'm puzzled
<elwis> I'll better try the -s then :)
<elwis> didn't help, no bootsplash but still it simply kills the client after a couple of minutes.
<elwis> better stick to my ubuntu to do some work, try to fix a better theme instead
<elwis> (to get smooth fonts on my gnue-forms)
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<elwis> I've tracked the evil "killed" message that simply quits  my form.
<elwis> If I don't put tabbed = "top" in my form at work it's nice. Those things only works on Ubuntu :)
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<elwis> Have to ask, since I haven't finally decide to go for MySQL or Postgres yet
<elwis> are there actually pygresql drivers to run on windows XP?
<elwis> I found one (for postgres8) that didn't work at all with my version
<kilo> dimas knows that better
<elwis> ok, I'll ask him. not much use if win-clients won't be able to run forms against my suse machine
<elwis> loves GNUe
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<elwis> in which other tool could I build such a nice form in notime
<elwis> http://www.myjavaserver.com/~elwis/pyCash.png
<elwis> :)
<elwis> just need a navigator to impress -something for the weekend
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<ajmitch> elwis: what was the problem with the debs?
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<elwis> sorry, problems?
<elwis> the debian packages haven't given me any problems :)
<elwis> No python win32 people around :(
<elwis> finally got my win client to access the Postgresql on suse
<elwis> but get unicode error when I've logged in, suppose its win32 ui
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<lekma> hi
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<kilo> hi lekma
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<johannesV> phu, that were a lot of commits now ...
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<reinhard> l8r
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<SachaS> hi everyone
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<elwis> yes, I'm sorry for my intenisve nagging but I just got a message from gnue-forms that tells me I just discovered a bug that should be reported..
<elwis> a very polite message that is I'll have to say :)
<elwis>  TypeError: could not convert parameter 'type' of type 'GtkWindowType'
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<btami> elwis: if you want help, you have to paste the last few lines of traceback here
<btami> btw have you any success with XP client?
<elwis> hey btame - and yes my XP client works like a charm now. It was sloppy as usual... *shame*. It never read the gnue.conf so Iit used wx if I didn't pass -u parameter
<elwis> this error happens if I try to pass -u gtk2 to my Ubuntu client. I'm very annoyed at the look of ubuntu gnue-forms
<btami> you can use DefaultUI = win32 in gnue.conf too
<elwis> just wanted to make sure it really doesn't use wx anyway..
<elwis> I do, but it doesnt read gnue.conf on my winbox, it still uses wx and wx gives me unicode error :(
<elwis> (at least, it doesn't use the gnue.conf that i found in c:\python24\etc
<elwis> here goes the error I get if I try to pass -u gtk2 to my ubuntu gnue-forms:
<elwis> Traceback (most recent call last):
<elwis>    File "/usr/bin/gnue-forms", line 34, in ?
<elwis>     client.run ()
<elwis>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 185, in run
<elwis>     instance.activate ()
<elwis>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 323, in activate
<elwis>     self._uiinstance.initialize ()
<elwis>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdriver.py", line 217, in initialize
<elwis>     self._initialize ()
<elwis>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/gtk2/UIdriver.py", line 115, in _initialize
<elwis>     self.splash = UISplashScreen ()
<elwis>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/gtk2/SplashScreen.py", line 45, in __init__
<elwis>     gtk.Window.__init__(self,gtk.TRUE)
<elwis>  TypeError: could not convert parameter 'type' of type 'GtkWindowType'
<elwis> splashscren I suppose?
<btami> are you using source install (python setup.py install) on XP ?
<btami> yep
<elwis> yep :)
<btami> i can't help with Ubuntu/gtk2 pb, sorry :)
<elwis> NOW I'm upset. I did pass -u gtk2 and -s to suppress the splashscreen (I learned something from this channes :) and finally I get a good looking gnome on Ubuntu also, not lousy wx
<elwis> It's been running wx all the time.. or gtk2 perhaps?
<elwis> sorry gtk1 I meant
<elwis> wonder why :(
<btami> maybe your wx package was compiled for gtk1
<btami> wx needs a compile time flag to use gtk2
<elwis> maybe, but I have gtk2 in my gnue.conf???
<btami> stop :)
<btami> there is 2 different ui driver for gnue
<btami> native gtk2
<btami> and wx
<btami> wx can be gtk1 or gtk2
<btami> it depends on distos
<btami> distros
<btami> in debian it was compiled to use gtk1
<elwis> poor poor debian :(
<btami> in other distros it uses gtk2 widgets
<btami> you can compile it for yourself with --enable-gtk2
<elwis> or I'll have to remember to always pass -gtk2 to my gnue-forms?
<btami> yes
<btami> or better
<btami> use DefaultUI = gtk2 in gnue.conf
<btami> anyhow i wonder why it was not find on XP
<elwis> I do, but it doesn't care about my DeafultUi flags anywhere :(
<btami> you can find what place is used for gnue.conf if
<btami> start forms with --debug-level=?
<btami> i can't remember :)
<btami> maybe 2/3/4
<elwis> '/etc/gnue/gnue.conf'
<elwis> and that one says ";DefaultUI = gtk2
<btami> this is the place where packages put it
<btami> have you installed it from .deb before?
<btami> hah
<btami> remove ;
<elwis> this one's the only installation, done form apt-get on my ubuntu hoary, so it shouldn't be polluted..
<elwis> hey what?
<btami> ; means it's a comment line
<elwis> but there's ";" everywhere - I thought it SHOULD be there :)
<elwis> :P
<elwis> That means I might get it to work on XP too.. all these polluted wx ones ;)
<btami> yep
<elwis> Yippie-jkayyeyy..
<elwis> don't know if you can acess , but I'm blogging my GNUe exeperiences - now I can do new entry telling the world WHY  some of the screenies on this page looks so ugly :
<elwis> http://www.linuxsverige.se/index.php?module=v4bJournal&func=journal_view&mode=detail&uid=55
<btami> cool, i can learn some sweden :)
<elwis> IOU all a lot for sure - I'll be your honored host one day when I'm terrible rich and can take you along the swedish coast :)
<btami> i'v read your first pdf before, it was wery good!
<elwis> don't, swedish is kind of useless :) But admit that theres a huge different from the suse form and the old wx one :(
<elwis> Yes, I never manage to get the permission tio upload it unfortunately :(
<btami> i was in sweden before, when i was a young folkdancer
<btami> it was coooool
<btami> we learned floorball there :9
<elwis> you were dancing in Sweden .. you got my full attention :)
<btami> :)
<elwis> where were you :)
<btami> we were deancing all ower europe and a little asia too
<btami> Stockholm
<elwis> It sounds fun, travelling around like that! And Stockholm is nice, beautiful islands in the summer
<btami> yes it was
<elwis> well, as long as I stay in my basement in front of GNUe I won't see much of it :)
<btami> elwis: have you read the logs? jcater and jamest talked something about wrong rights on gnue server
<btami> maybe they fixed it, i don't know
<btami> can you try it again?
<btami> to upload your pdf
<elwis> I just tried again but I'm "persona non grata" on that one still ;)
<btami> ok, kick jamest/jcater then :)
<elwis> Nice idea :P
<lekma> bbl
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<dimas> btami: i need to set gnue on a few windows machines, so could you suggest to use binary package for win if i'll run cvs version on the server side?
<dimas> would they work together? or may be binary build old to work with cvs on the server
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<btami> dimas: i can't answer this
<btami> maybe reinhard/johannesV can
<btami> they did lots of commits later
<btami> i can imagine it will work
<dimas> thanks, will try both cases
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<jamest_> elwis: i'm sorry, i'll try something in just a bit to fix it
<elwis> it's okey, I'm stucked here trying to get some logic into my forms.. or an angry brother-in-law will shout ugly words at me.. ;)
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<elwis> silly question: If I want to populate my dropdown with available values of article-categories, I'll have to do a 'Select * from' query tied to a "On-click event.. right?
<jamest_> you can tie dropdowns directly to datasources
<elwis> I can?
<jamest_> yes
<jamest_> let me find sample
<jamest_> gnue-forms/samples/zipcode/zipcode.gfd
<jamest_> you'll find a datasource named validator that prequeries the info
<jamest_> iirc you can also tell this to requerty after things like commits
<elwis> thanks.. better check that up cause I got the polite message telling me I found abug again .. ;)
<jamest_> then in the logic section
<jamest_>       <field name="state" field="state" fk_description="description"
<jamest_>              fk_key="state" fk_source="validator">
<jamest_> the fk_description is what is displayed
<jamest_> the fk_key is what is actually stored in the record
<elwis> does it have to be a datasource of it's own?
<jamest_> meaning?
<elwis> I tried to put a simple field into it but always get a explanation I'm finding bugs.. 'll try again ;)
<jamest_> bugs?
<jamest_> i use these alog
<jamest_> a lot
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<jamest_> what exactly are the bugs you're seeing
<elwis> It might be my database layout since the articelcategory are a detaillink of a master I suppose (gee I've learned how incompetent I actually are in a lot of ways :)
<elwis> I'm lost .. I get the error that my entryname fldArtikelkat references a non existens field.. which it of course are since it's referncing itself.. I guess..
<elwis> Maybe I should take a nap :)
<elwis> hey -got it again (and yes - I need a nap) but I get errors:  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'isEmpty'
<jamest_> does the zipcode sample work?
<elwis> don't know, it wants a postgresql backend - I don't have it on Ubuntu :(
<elwis> do I need a prequery or something?
<jamest_> what's your backend?
<elwis> on this one, lousy MySQL
<elwis> (but not for long I'm afraid)
<jamest_> you definately need a prequery on the datasource
<jamest_> let me cut n paste a known working dropdown from one of my forms
<btami> there is a ipcode.gsd file there too
<btami> you can use thet with mysql too
<btami> to set it up
<elwis> I'll go for it - bet it's my tired head and sloppiness.. only recieves  File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFBlock.py", line 335, in isEmpty
<elwis>     return self._resultSet.current.isEmpty()
<elwis>  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'isEmpty'
<btami> gsscvs --connection=gnue zipcode.gsd
<jamest_>   <datasource name="dts_manufacturer" connection="epm" prequery="Y"
<jamest_>               requery="1" table="lk_manufacturer"/>
<jamest_>       <field name="inpMake" case="upper" field="make"
<jamest_>              fk_description="manufacturer" fk_key="manufacturer" fk_source="dts_manufacturer" maxLength="34"/>
<jamest_>       <entry name="Entry2" Char:height="1" Char:width="20" Char:x="25"
<jamest_>              Char:y="2" block="blkItem" field="inpMake" focusorder="3" label=""
<jamest_>              rowSpacer="0" rows="9" style="dropdown"/>
<jamest_> from the datasource, field def in the block, and layout sections
<jamest_> that is working right now with svn code from mid week
<elwis> btami: what about that ipcode?? :/
<btami> zipcode
<elwis> that's EXACTLY how tired I am.. sorry..
<btami> my keyboard is, hmm, dead
<btami> :)
<elwis> where is that gsscvs :(
<btami> gnue-gsdgen
<btami> all scripts have an svn version
<btami> on linux you can install from svn in gnue-commos's setup-cvs.py
<btami> it creats symlinks ad you can run from your local svn repo directly
<elwis> don't dare doing that - it might work for me but my brother-in-law runs XP :)
<btami> it's for developers or testers using up to date svn
<btami> on XP i'm using "python setup.py install" method too
<elwis> well .. wouldn't dare calling myself a developer in GNUe terms ... quite yet
<elwis> I'm using that on XP too, works great!
<btami> on XP you can use win32 and gtk2 ui too for forms
<btami> designer is wx only
<btami> maybe it will change
<elwis> as far as I understood form yesterday s chit-chat.. it might be changed (and I would like hat :)
<elwis> designer snapshot version won't work at all on my suse it opens all the forms and then squeesez the content up into the left corner :)
<btami> designer is under heavy restructure/unstable
<elwis> well well .. now my dropdown seem to work and it was all me being stupid I guess.. doing prequeries on the detail table and not on the master ...
<elwis> designer is actually a great tool speaking about functionality I think, it just needs to be polished
<btami> jcater started to split the ui from logic in designer to support qt
<btami> qt 4 will be free for win too
<jamest_> btami: actually
<jamest_> this will go a bit beyond that
<jamest_> i think we're going to try to redo common
<jamest_> and provide a base GUI applicatoin framework
<jamest_> so that forms, designer, navigator all integrate
<jamest_> you could still have the seperate apps
<jamest_> but you could also run these inside a single app
<btami> something like anygui ?
<jamest_> i looked a bit at it
<jamest_> more like i could have an app here at work
<jamest_> that contained several gnue forms, a custom input app, and navigator
<jamest_> all as one app
<jamest_> that way my phone reps could move from input form, to in house app without needing to exit anything
<elwis> something like you have this nice IDE that are also a runtime bench?
<elwis> you already have the navigator so it sound logical
<elwis> me would be happy if I could get otut of this eternity error loop (lousy dropdown box ;)
<jamest_> btami: in the java world this is somewhat like netbeans or eclipse
<jamest_> i went over a lot of this with reinhard and jcater as a future direction
<jamest_> and neither hunted me down or had me commited
<jamest_> and jcater seems to have started the seperation
<btami> sounds good
<elwis> eclipse is a great framework, rich client platform and IDE. Not a bad idea
<btami> jamest: how is your free time? are you started gnueing again?
<jamest_> it's better
<jamest_> and yes, i'm trying
<btami> cool
<jamest_> we lost a retaining wall in the backyard
<jamest_> so i've been dealing w/ that
<jamest_> but last weekend i was waiting on contractors so spent the entire weekend reading gnue code and adding comments
<jamest_> preping to get input masks working
<jamest_> (i hope :)
<btami> me too :)
<btami> input mask in gnue land is a newer ending promise :)
<jamest_> yeah
<jamest_> thing is my accounting dept is GNUe
<btami> but we all know, it's all derek's fault :)
<jamest_> and they seem to think proper numeric formatting is important :)
<jamest_> as for anygui
<jamest_> it looks like a neat idea
<jamest_> but i don't care to have another wx
<btami> yep
<btami> ideas of anygui are simpler and practical
<jamest_> are they?
<jamest_> i've only looked it over a bit
<jamest_> but i know reinhard and jcater both expressed the same concerns
<jamest_> hopefully they pop up as I don't want to put words in their mouths :)
<btami> :)
<jamest_> have you messed with anygui ?
<btami> just studied it when started the win32 ui
<jcater> one of my concerns
<jcater> is that we're having issues with wx *because* we can't get lower level than we have now
<jcater> (dropdowns, etc)
<jcater> anygui is only going in the opposite direction
<jcater> i.e., anygui presents one way and one way only
<jcater> doesn't fit, then too bad
<jcater> which is great for doing simple graphics apps
<jcater> that should work anywhere
<jcater> but for trying to do a "gnue" interface with our own input mask drivers, etc
<jcater> I'm not overly optomistic
<jamest_> btami: we also talked a tiny bit about looking into using opengl for some things
<jamest_> and allowing an app to get a valid widget for the prefered widget set
<jamest_> so that if I'm using QT in house, i could write a plugin for the new gnue gui framework that says "give me a workspace" and it'd return a qt window primative (i don't know the exact name) that my custom app would use to display it's UI
<jamest_> so it really comes down to
<jamest_>   1. something like anygui
<jamest_>   2. move as much as possible into a gui free system then write completely custom front end logic per widget set
<jamest_> #2 I believe is how java works
<jamest_> but they only distribute the front end that matches the platform you download
<wendall911> jamest_: option #2 works well. Then if integrating with another project, the developer could just use whatever their widget set of choice is.
<jamest_> right
<jamest_> initally i don't see gnue forms widgets being used for this however
<jamest_> i'd see the framework built for the menus and such with forms grafted in
<jamest_> then we could add the stuff we need to port the forms widgets to the new setup
<jamest_> but again, i'm not speaking for others here
<btami> i see
<jamest_> btami: i did speak w/ the author some about anygui
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<jamest_> as he said the project is dead
<wendall911> wxwidgets sounds similar
<jamest_> if only it actually worked well :)
<jamest_> anygui does not currently
<jamest_>   allow interception of keystrokes (but could be added)
<jamest_>   drag and drop
<jamest_>   intercept cut n paste
<jamest_> it would
<jamest_>   allow us to pass the underlying widget info out to the app
<jamest_>   so you could do the custom qt plugin
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<btami> are you consider "adopting" it to enhance?
<jamest_> i don't know
<jamest_> as i wouldn't want to create another wx
<jamest_> at this point i think the goal is simply cleanup tools and seperate any ui from logic where it's found
<jamest_> then maybe look at moving that logic into common, or breaking common up into sub libraries
<wendall911> pretty funny stuff on slashdot today
<btami> jamest: agreed
<btami> bye
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<SachaS> hi kilo
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