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<btami> good morning
<dimas> good morning
<johannesV> good morning
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<aries_mindworks> hi
<aries_mindworks> btami!
<aries_mindworks> can you tell me what's the difference about 3-tier and 2-tier?
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<btami> hi aries_mindworks
<btami> in 2-tier client programs (forms /reports) talk direct to sql backend
<btami> in 3-tier there is a middleware layer
<btami> called gnue-appserver here
<btami> client programs talk to gnue-appserver
<btami> and appserver talks to sql backend
<btami> gnue-appserver contains the so called business logic
<btami> in 2-tier mode business logic is spread in sql backend (triggers/stored procedures)
<btami> and in forms/reports
<btami> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/appserver/docs/manual/devguide/General-Concepts.html#General-Concepts
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<aries_mindworks> btami: thanks!
<aries_mindworks> kilo: hi
<kilo> good morning
<kilo> hi aries_mindworks
<kilo> got your msg yesterday, but was dealing with the kids
<aries_mindworks> kilo: btami has answered, thanks
<kilo> ok, just reading the logs
<aries_mindworks> btami: ok, I'll read it
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<reinhard> good morning all
<kilo> hi reinhard
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<edus> Hi all
<kilo> hi
<edus> Kilo, are you still on gnue-luca?, can I be of some use?
<edus> I'm trying to undestand how to implement a simple Invoices system
<edus> But maybe I'm missing the already done modules
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<kilo> edus:  you must have thought gnue-packages, not gnue-luca, that is reinhard's baby
<kilo> but yes, i am on packages
<kilo> and an invoices system is quite ready
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: hi
<edus> For invoices I'll make a report each one?
<kilo> yes
<kilo> you can take a look at two svn trees
<kilo> first gnue, there in gnue-packages/supplychain/billing
<kilo> and then in gnue-contrib, where under gnue-invoice you will find a simple working invoicing software...
<aries_mindworks> kilo: how do you think: gnue-invoice should be a simple ledger, or would you improve it to serve a roboust tasks?
<edus> Sorry, but gnue-contrib is on the main gnue svn branck?
<edus> branch
<aries_mindworks> kilo: you know, i'm planning to implement a complicated crm-erp stuff. now it's in the planning phase
<kilo> edus: gnue-contrib is a separate svn tree
<kilo> svn co svn://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue-contrib gnue-contrib
<kilo> aries_mindworks: well it is very simple, but can be used for inhouse invoicing
<edus> Thanks!, now I'll go for it
<kilo> a good starting point for a more complex one
<kilo> but not planning to put much work in it
<kilo> aries_mindworks: mögy oszt kész
<aries_mindworks> kilo: are you interested in a crm-erp, or any other guy?
<aries_mindworks> kilo: :D
<btami> al gnue is about crm-erp
<edus> Aries: But the whole GNUe would be an ERP, right?
<aries_mindworks> kilo: i need advices, critics about my UML
<aries_mindworks> edus: you're right, but there's no an enterprise quality erp stuff. It's a wonderful backend, without really usable applications
<kilo> interested in such a way that i am willing to help
<btami> aries_mindworks: just put it some public place, and we will criticise it :)
<kilo> but dont have much knowledge of it
<btami> aries_mindworks: we have real deep knowledge only on hungarian payroll/personal tax calculation
<kilo> and whisky production of course
<btami> aries_mindworks: we just started to turn our foxpro based stuff into gnue
<aries_mindworks> btami: it's enough for me
<aries_mindworks> (hungarian payroll)
<aries_mindworks> btami: others should implement it to they native tax laws
<edus> Aries_mindworks: I'll go up to Italian's tax laws
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<SachaS> what is gnue_luca ?
<kilo> reinhard's small-size gl
<kilo> you want to work in the uk?
<SachaS> i will become employed by a UK company
<SachaS> then they send me to the US for a project
<SachaS> some ebXML project ;)
<kilo> oh oh oh, oh la la
<SachaS> arghh some closed source project sniff
<SachaS> i had sleepless nights
<btami> girls ?
<kilo> dont drink thath much
<SachaS> i will have to sign a  non disclosure agreement ... I am in an difficult situation.  on one side the belief in free software and on the others side signing my life away :)
<SachaS> it is probably not that bad
<kilo> well i think it must not be a problem. sign it.
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<dimas> is there up to date build for win32?
<edus> I've seen only theese: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php
<reinhard> they are up to date with the latest releases
<dimas> will it work with svn version of the appserver?
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<edus> I think for running you need Python installed, then try to use the svn's version
<edus> But I'm using only Linux, so not sure at all
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<reinhard> dimas: you mean forms/reports release on client, appserver svn on server?
<reinhard> that should work
<dimas> yep
<reinhard> but appserver svn needs common svn
<dimas> ok
<dimas> common svn on client?
<reinhard> and forms release?
<reinhard> no way
<edus> It does not run on latest svn?
<reinhard> probably you can't even mix svn forms of last week with svn common of today and vice versa
<reinhard> lots of incompatible changes due to cleanup
<dimas> when we could see next stable then? :)
<reinhard> ASAP
<reinhard> as soon as cleanup of datasources is done, and I'm quite quickly approaching it now
<edus> I've GNUe running on Gentoo, did thoose who ask about pygettext.py solved the problem?
<reinhard> I can't remember off hand
<reinhard> you mean pygettext, right? (without .py)
<reinhard> actually it should be included in python
<edus> Gentoo does not have it, you need to take from Python.org, then copy it on /usr/bin, and make a link to it named pygettext
<edus> At least I've solved doing this
<edus> Strange thing the Gentoo does not give it bundled
<edus> Today I've discovered gnue-contrib, better to follow it or gnue-luca?
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<dimas> edus, both
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<edus> crashed...
<dimas> <dimas> edus, both
<edus> :D
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<rynik> Is a class not a valid type for a procedure parameter?
<rynik> I get
<rynik> readgcd: Reference 'kontoplan_konto' not allowed for 'GCParameter' instance inkonto
<SachaS> rynik are you german speaking?
<rynik> Does readgcd read ahed so that I can reference a class futher down in the module?
<rynik> No, Swedish
<SachaS> kontoplan konto is same in german.
<rynik> Ah... Gues we learned accounting from the germans then.
<rynik> So, you should understand my question then. Or...
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<lekma> hola
<edus> hi
<johannesV> rynik, no, the problem here is you cannot have a refernence type as parameter of a procedure
<johannesV> parameter support only base types (string, number, date, ...)
<lekma> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/bin/gnue-reports", line 29, in ?
<lekma> DB000:     GRRun().run()
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/reports/client/GRRun.py", line 245, in run
<lekma> DB000:     omitGNUeXML=self.OPTIONS["exclude_xml"])
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/reports/base/GREngine.py", line 65, in processReport
<lekma> DB000:     report = GRParser.loadFile(fileHandle, self._connectionManager)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/reports/base/GRParser.py", line 61, in loadFile
<lekma> DB000:     initialize, attributes={"_connections": connections})
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GParser.py", line 166, in loadXMLObject
<lekma> DB000:     object.phaseInit(dh._phaseInitCount)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 112, in phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     self._phaseInit(phase)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 148, in _phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     initter(phase)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 148, in _phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     initter(phase)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 141, in _phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     inits[phase]()
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/datasources/GDataSource.py", line 252, in __secondaryInit
<lekma> DB000:     self.__master = self._topObject._datasourceDictionary.get (
<lekma> DB000:  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'
<lekma> it seems last change to DataObject broke reports
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<reinhard> lekma: let me look
<reinhard> lekma: can you please test again?
<lekma> yep
<lekma> DB000: Traceback (most recent call last):
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/bin/gnue-reports", line 29, in ?
<lekma> DB000:     GRRun().run()
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/reports/client/GRRun.py", line 245, in run
<lekma> DB000:     omitGNUeXML=self.OPTIONS["exclude_xml"])
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/reports/base/GREngine.py", line 65, in processReport
<lekma> DB000:     report = GRParser.loadFile(fileHandle, self._connectionManager)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/reports/base/GRParser.py", line 61, in loadFile
<lekma> DB000:     initialize, attributes={"_connections": connections})
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GParser.py", line 166, in loadXMLObject
<lekma> DB000:     object.phaseInit(dh._phaseInitCount)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 112, in phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     self._phaseInit(phase)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 148, in _phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     initter(phase)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 148, in _phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     initter(phase)
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/definitions/GObjects.py", line 141, in _phaseInit
<lekma> DB000:     inits[phase]()
<lekma> DB000:    File "/usr/lib/gnue/common/datasources/GDataSource.py", line 249, in __secondaryInit
<lekma> DB000:     if hasattr (self, 'master') and master:
<lekma> DB000:  NameError: global name 'master' is not defined
<reinhard> argh
<reinhard> typo :(
<reinhard> sorry
<reinhard> please try again
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<lekma> reinhard: it works thanks
<lekma> Traceback (most recent call last):
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSessionManager.py", line 290, in commit
<lekma>     s.commit ()
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSession.py", line 320, in commit
<lekma>     self.__connection.commit ()
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 943, in commit
<lekma>     for (table, row) in self.__orderInserts ():
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 990, in __orderInserts
<lekma>     result = self.__orderByDependency (records)
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 1090, in __orderByDependency
<lekma>     extend (self.__fishSort (table, data [table], fishes [table]))
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 1122, in __fishSort
<lekma>     value = r.getField (depField)
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 1864, in getField
<lekma>     value = new.get (field)
<lekma>  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get'
<lekma> lot of changes recently??? :)
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<SachaS> guess there is currently no day without a change ;)
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<reinhard> lekma: that looks like one of johannesV's changes
<reinhard> tried a quick fix
<reinhard> johannesV: can you please check if it is correct?
<reinhard> and yes, there *are* lots of changes :)
<lekma> Traceback (most recent call last):
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSessionManager.py", line 290, in commit
<lekma>     s.commit ()
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/geasSession.py", line 320, in commit
<lekma>     self.__connection.commit ()
<lekma>    File "/usr/lib/gnue/appserver/data.py", line 944, in commit
<lekma>     fields = tables [table] [row]
<lekma>  KeyError: u'sales_saleorders'
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<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> hope johannesV will come back soon :)
<lekma> :)
<lekma> no pb
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<edus> Bye all
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<johannesV> back for 5 minutes
<johannesV> lekma, how do you create that situation ?
<johannesV> or the other way round: how to reproduce ?
<lekma> basically commiting a lot of things... (i'll have to dig in the code to see what are the specifics)
<lekma> but it's not smthing exotic
<johannesV> i mean how can you force appserver to requery a record which does not exist ...
<lekma> lots of store
<lekma> and then a commit
<lekma> it used to work
<lekma> i'm afraid i don't really understand the question
<lekma> i don't really know what's happening in the code (i didn't wrote it)
<lekma> but i'm quite sure there's no fish-hook or exotic things happening
<johannesV> hm, so i've to play a bit in order to reproduce it ...
<lekma> it's no store
<lekma> but a bunch of session.new
<lekma> (python script)
<johannesV> well, that should be ok ...
<lekma> (not using xmlrpc interface)
<johannesV> which session.new do you use ?
<lekma> well i pass session to my class (self.__session = sess)
<johannesV> but what kind of session is that, language-interface ?
<lekma> then i use self.__session.new(mod_class)
<lekma> the one you use in On-Validate, On-Change,...
<johannesV> ah, ok
<johannesV> so that's ok
<johannesV> i wonder how you can introduce non-existing records there ...
<johannesV> do you change the gnue_id manually ?
<lekma> nope
<johannesV> well, even that should work
<lekma> never
<johannesV> hmm, you're adding new instances in an OnValidate trigger ...
<johannesV> maybe i should try that ...
<johannesV> are you adding new instances of the class running the OnValidate or of another one ?
<johannesV> or do you abort that OnValidate ?
<lekma> anotherone
<lekma> no i don't abort
<johannesV> do you call commit in that OnValidate ?
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<tiredbones> This question is for those of you who do active development on GNUe.Do you update
<tiredbones> your working copy of svn on a daily base?
<btami> tiredbones: yes
<lekma> tiredbones: i try to test svn on a daily basis but stick with the last working svn for real work
<lekma> johannesV: the commit is at the origin of the onvalidate, there's no commit afterward
<btami> bbl
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<lekma> bbl
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<johannesV> for the logs: lekma can you tar.gz the files involved (gcd/gfd and maybe gsd) so i can reproduce your situation
<johannesV> you can mail it to me (like the last time)
<johannesV> i'll try to check it tomorrow
<johannesV> ok, so i'm off for today too ...
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<reinhard> bbl
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<rynik> Hi, can I import a library to a .gfd file and use for example wxPython in it?
<jamest> rynik: you'd have to hook into forms internals
<jamest> you can import the library
<jamest> i'd not want to attempt it though as I can't imagine things would go well
<rynik> OK. way beond my skill
<rynik> I would like to pop up a file chooser
<jamest> i don't think there is an easy way to do that atm
<rynik> pitty
<rynik> jamest, what did you mean by "you can import the library"?
<jamest> you can do imports inside triggers
<jamest> if you need access to a python module
<jamest> so you could import wx
<rynik> where in the trigger?
<jamest> and long ago you could get to forms internals inside a trigger
<jamest> i *think* we may have plugged that hole though
<jamest> and removed access to the internals
<jamest> you could do at the top of the trigger
<jamest> or you could do in a startup trigger and make the module a global
<jamest> there is an example of doing that in the forms guide
<rynik> thanks, will nasty things happen?
<rynik> As yuo would not try I mean.
<jamest> i do imports from various python modules
<jamest> without issue
<jamest> i've not tried to mix in something like WX though
<jamest> well
<jamest> hmmmm
<jamest> you might be able to get away with it
<rynik> I got me a nice file chooser and I see no problem so far!
<jamest> you just left the parent of the dialog as None right?
<jamest> as that, i think would work
<chillywilly> wassup negros?
<rynik> hm... I dont know about parent I just did from wxPython.wx import *
<jamest> i wouldn't try trying to extend the forms UI via wx in a trigger but a popup modal dialog.....i can't think of any real issues
<jamest> isn't the first argument to a wx dialog the parent wx widget of the dialog
<jamest> or is that the wxID
* jamest is running from memory here
<jamest> but as long as you're doing popup dialogs i guess it'd probably work without messing up forms
<jamest> i wouldn't try to add fancy buttons or anything to the forms UI itself thouhg
<rynik> filname = wxFileSelector("Ccoose a file")
<jamest> chillywilly: it's quitting time is what's up
<jamest> chillywilly: so I can go home!  and, um, work
<jamest> rynik: i think that'll be fine
<jamest> bbl
<rynik> jamest Thanks for your time!
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<reinhard> YESS!!!
<reinhard> Bye bye ProtocolError
<ajmitch_> hi
<reinhard> hey ajmitch_
<reinhard> didn't you mention you have a new version of appserver ready to upload?
<ajmitch_> no, I said it was 'almost' ready :)
<ajmitch_> I've been a little bit busy lately ;)
* ajmitch_ should probably fix it the quick way, and then do it the proper way
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> np
<reinhard> just wondered why it wasn't uploaded
<reinhard> I think you'll make it until sarge freeze ;-)
<ajmitch_> heh
<reinhard> bed time
<reinhard> night all
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<chillywilly> lalala
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