*** krizz has joined #gnuenterprise hello people is there any known but about the -u property in gnue-forms? because when i set it manually form crashes, but when it uses the default value it works ok a windows opens and it sais that I found abut. but == bug? yes :) *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has quit IRC it sais it can't conver type to GTKWindowsType krizz: seems like you should try to disable the splash screen * reinhard does actually not know what is being talked about... ok read the logs try to add the -s option, it should work then seems you are right!! thanks reinhard, good morning. Did you look at the manual? rynik: no, not yet I was away for 4 days when you sent it Allright. so I actually thought/hoped somebody else would commit it NP, I was just starting to wonder if maybe texinfo wasn't interesting to you *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise all of appserver doc is written in texinfo it has not yet been committed? please resend it to reinhard at gnue dot org can i have one more question? (maybe two?) sure just don't expect to get them answered j/k :) using curses needs any extra configuration? seting -s -u curses, doesn't do much lol should work actually what do you mean with "doesn't do much"? krizz, are you running under windows? let me paste the last two lines of therror File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 169, in __init__ DB000: moduleName = moduleName) DB000: TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'moduleName' oops it was three :) reinhard, same thing here. ah you using the latest release, right? curses is broken in that release IIRC :( apt-get (testing) *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise we wil (must) do a new release RSN can curses work in windows too? I don't think so ok and the last one (question) is there any case study, or presentation of the gnue project? good morning krizz: you mean as in "well documented and presentable"? no, but we would gladly accept one ;-) good morning btami i was introduced to gnue, from a colleag of mine, that his is a member of free soft team. And after he show how enthusiastic i was about it, asked me for a case study to present in event of them soory for owful english. morning btami you looking at 2-tier (without appserver) or 3-tier (with appserver)? i can do better (english) but just didn't drink any coffe yet it could be nice to cover both sides. Except if the project focuses in a particular side the project focuses on *way* too many sides ;-) for 3-tier, I would use the sample in the developer's guide for a presentation i could you some more info about the architecture, but not bothering you more, the question is: Is there any info about the project not included in the site? well our documentation files usually end in .py :-P sounds nice :) seriously, the current documentation should be on the web plus you might want to look at /usr/share/doc/gnue* is there any project leader of the project? depends on what you want to become one :p i dont' know, maybe arrange an interview if you talk about infrastructural stuff like web server maintenance, copyright assignments etc it's jamest if you want a core developer just ask reinhard :) ok when the time comes will talk again about that how many active developers the project have? has sorry was on the phone do you know any good case-study for another open-source project that i could use as reference? to give proper credits jamest is also the "visionary founder" of the project most code in total (afaict) was done by jcater most code in last 2 years probably done by johannesV File "/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 169, in __init__ DB000: moduleName = moduleName) DB000: TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'moduleName' soory fo that if you want a core developer just ask reinhard :) krizz: sorry, no idea about any case study what about reinhard well I did a few things in the code, too and care for the release for about a year or so now (doing the announcement, uploading them, etc) regarding strategic decisions we (AFAICT) try to discuss and find the best soluion so this project probably has no explicit "leader" does the project has any commercial competitor am i logging these? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/gnue-public.log right btami :) forgot about that krizz: this project is commercial johannesV, btami, kilo and me (at least) work for companies that use gnue i didn't get that? what do you mean? oh in that way which actually quite well matches the list of currently active developers (AFAICT) (currently = last 6 months or so) but the project is free even for commercial use from others, right? sure so what you mean is not commercial but proprietary? let me check proprietary in dictionary :D not free as in freedom ok got that :D it is the "property" of somebody who completely controls it thnks krizz: gnue is a gnu project (GPL) *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise that's what i heard btami, too :D what about u btami ? gm* good morning morning kilo krizz: i'm doing little coding/bugfixing here and there, and maintaining windows packaging we (kilo and me) are developing a payrolling (by hnungaryan law) app with gnue op! really? any current working releases? not yet :) op! (is a greek exclametion of surprise) not give me op :) nice, good fortune btami thx ok guys thank you for your time *** yure has joined #gnuenterprise 7 oops wrong window 8 johannesV: does geasgsdgen produce correct gsd file for you? if we run it, it repeats some lines several times rynik: I think you forgot to attach your attachment :) *** psu has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has quit IRC *** krizz has quit IRC *** psu_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** psu has quit IRC /msg NickServ IDENTIFY aardvark oops ho hum * psu wonders if he will be able to remember his new password from now on if not, I shall just have to learn to grow a tail psu: there are days when you wish this channel wasn't logged, aren't there? :) Thankfully, I don't use that old p/w anywhere else It was always intended as a gesture to anyone mad enough to try & crack it by dictionary search i.e. make it easy for them "In the beginning was the word... and the word was aardvark" * psu guesses that isn't such a good joke in German ;-) off to lunch *** Amorphous has quit IRC *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise rynik: is your manual a newer version of Developers-Guide.sxw ? *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard, Yes and more *** dcmwai has quit IRC most of the manual is from Developers-Guide.sxw. Some from hints.databasefiles and some from the techmotes (technotes) It's a compliation of what I found alreadu written that fits into a GNU style manual. It's intro, concepts, examples and referential material for the user. ah It's was done in the spirit: 'Lets geather what we got and go from there' so what other manuals would it replace? (in a way that it would be better to delete the other manuals)? Is redundancy that bad? *** docelic has quit IRC I think so when it comes to maintaining the docs or finding out which one's the most current one OK. I'll have to come back to you on that. ok *** dimas has quit IRC I think I should also talk to jamest and jcater to find out which docs are outdated *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard, These docs are fully covered in the manual: from technotes - events.txt, login.txt, startup.txt hints.postgresql.txt Developers-Guide.sxw There is a few candidates in the doc directory but im not sure wich is suted for the end user. if you incorporated hints.postgresql.txt it would make sense to also incorporate the other hints.*.txt, wouldn't it? yes, they are stron candidates :) s/stron/strong you're going to work further on that doc? that would be good btw I think we didn't have any front/back cover texts in Developers-Guide.sxw and I would *strongly* recommend to keep it that way Yes I planned to work more on it. I just need some opinions. rynik: I think you should talk to jamest and docelic who wrote the original docs also about whether they feel ok with the conversion to texinfo documentation formats have a long history in gnue IIRC we have gone texinfo -> docbook -> lyx -> openoffice.org -> texinfo or something like that now :) What is IIRC anyway? if i remember correctly it might be one of the reasons why our docs suck: we haven't been able to agree on a format and if a writes in ooo, b doesn't work on that doc because he doesn't like ooo and if b writes something in texinfo, a doesn't help etc Personaly I don't like .swx diffs are huge and tell you nothing rynik: I purposedly wrote the appserver doc in texi because ooo sucks cold winds on the hardware I use but with that decision I also am aware that I have to write it completely on my own I don't se why, I sent a patch to it, didn't I what we actually would need for common was a person that constantly maintains the docs we have so many docs that have been "started" but not kept up to date :( rynik: yes, you have, I admit. But you were the first person in 18 months or so :) Yes, right AND up to date docs to start with. yeah, sure :) anyway, I *very much* welcome your initiative and I think we will talk as soon as jamest is here about how to continue if you are willing to take that job, I would *love* to see you get svn access and maintain the docs in common (and maybe extend that for other packages as well) Thank you reinhard, I love to work on the docs but I dont have the whole pickture when it comes to GNUe But as long as you answer my questions it could work. you meaning all of you, and I know you do :) we have always treated those who wrote docs with deep respect and tender love ask psu :) psu, Is that realy true. or did they threaten you to write those GNUe Traffic :) :) bbl rynik: they had my favourite teddy bear PWNED - I had no choice ;-) *** Amorphous has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** psu has quit IRC *** psu has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC jamest: please read the logs re my discussion with rynik about documentation in gnue-common *** titopbs has joined #gnuenterprise *** docelic has quit IRC anybody used allowed_hosts = in gnue.conf? what is allowed with empty setting? access from any hosts? *** docelic has joined #gnuenterprise *** titopbs has quit IRC *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** titopbs has joined #gnuenterprise *** titopbs has quit IRC *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV__ has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has quit IRC reinhard: i'll try and read the logs in a bit *** johannesV__ has quit IRC jamest, did you read the logs? *** psu has quit IRC *** nickr has quit IRC *** chillywilly has quit IRC *** psu has joined #gnuenterprise *** nickr has joined #gnuenterprise *** chillywilly has joined #gnuenterprise chillywilly, I was thinking we could use Microsoft Word for all GNUe documentation. What do you think? I bet all of us got access to word! *** psu has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise rynik: um, ok sounds great...everyone know M$ is a standard the "S" in "MS" stands for "Standard", doesn't it?? reinhard, it's just too close to the truth. You know to much, we have to eliminate you. S for OASIS standards? I didn't know OASIS but you're probably right. This ts pasted from their website: This OASIS Standard is composed of the following file: MSWord format *** btami has quit IRC *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise jamest, I'm very interested in your opinion on the GNUe documentation and whether I can contribute in any way. So, if you have the time, have a look in todays IRC log. We were discussing some format issues again (in addition to the MSWord pastime) and also mentioned the need to weed out some dated documentation. It seems we need yours and jcater's involvement to proceed. good night all sigh, rynik I'm sorry I missed you i'll try to look tonight thru the logs as i haven't had time today Thanks jamest, when you get the time. Sorry to bother you, I understand you are busy. we're moving the company i'm only responsible for the internet (1/2 the incoming sales) and the phones (all the outbound calls + rest of sales) :) so until mid june my time is being soaked up dealing w/ this stuff I can see why sitting by the IRC is no no. 1 priority But could you have a look in the logs sometime around mid june then? :) i'll try and look tonight i hate being non-responsive here * rynik should be sleeping! well, it'll be at least 2 to 3 hours before I can set down at the PC So, see you tomorrow then. Sweet dreams to you jamest and please wake up with THE plan for future GNUe documentation efforts. :) *** jamest has quit IRC night all *** reinhard has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC *** sjc has quit IRC *** mdean has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has quit IRC *** yure has quit IRC *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise *** mdean_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** mdean has quit IRC *** dcmwai has quit IRC *** mdean__ has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has quit IRC *** mdean_ has quit IRC *** jcater has quit IRC *** wendall_away has quit IRC *** mnemoc_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** mnemoc has quit IRC