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<wt> is anyone here?
<wt> any web people, that is
<jcater> kinda
<jcater> in and out, that is
<jcater> my 6 yr old is cutting my hair atm :)
<wt> ah
<wt> jcater: what would it take to get in on getting the website updated
<wt> I think that it could use more info
<wt> maybe a bug tracker
<mnemoc_> hi, another dumb python question: how can i remove spaces around an string?
<wt> find the first nonspace from the front
<wt> then from the end
<wt> then slice the string with those idices
<wt> seems like a good way
<mnemoc_> no foo.trim() alike function? :\
<jcater> .strip()
<mnemoc_> thanks! :)
<jcater> wt: couple of things
<jcater> 1) we'd love updates to the web :)
<wt> http://python.org/doc/2.4.1/lib/string-methods.html#string-methods
<jcater> not sure if you were volunteering to do a little work
<wt> I am volunteering
<jcater> but it's all in our svn repository
<jcater> under www/
<jcater> so it's patchable
<jcater> and 2) on the bug tracker
<jcater> yes, but we need to use DCL for it
<jcater> which is more than capable
<jcater> but it is a gnue project
<jcater> (the whole eating own dogfood, thing)
<wt> I was thinking something a little more substantial, like Zope/Plone or something for the site itself
<wt> and I know about DCL
<wt> I just need to be able to set the stuff up in the right place.
<jcater> well, there was endless debate over how much we wanted to go into that
<jcater> zope/plone, etc
<jcater> but I will say, probably 75% of our site is automatically created
<jcater> from the code base
<jcater> like all of tools/ is automated
<jcater> created from README, TODO, NEWS, ChangeLog, etc
<wt> Is it possible to just develop a schema for a database and just use it instead of gnu-schema or whatever?
<jcater> for appserver stuff, or just for the tools in general?
<jcater> appserver expects certain meta-fields that gcd's take care of
<wt> just the tools in general
<jcater> no, not at all
<jcater> I don't use gnue-schema internally
<jcater> it was initially created for us to create demo databases with
<wt> gnue-schema kinda sucks
<wt> I don't mean to knock it
<wt> I really love the idea of the gnue project
<jcater> the tools will work with most any relational backend structure
<wt> it just doesn't seem to be moving
<mnemoc_> jcater: is devguide about forms (0.5.4) to outdated?
<jcater> mnemoc_, I don't think so
<mnemoc_> jcater: good :)
<jcater> most of forms' specs have been stable for a long
<wt> jcater: have you ever seen tinyerp?
<jcater> the main thing that changes somewhat are triggers
<jcater> as we add new functions to them
<jcater> wt, at one point, yes
<jcater> fwiw, I don't disagree w/the momentum of GNUe
<wt> it's more like what I wish that gnue could be
<jcater> unfortunately we've always worked in waves
<wt> though the development is not as open
<wt> does gnue have any kind of workflow engine?
<jcater> not formally
<jcater> someone contributed plans but didn't follow up
<jcater> wt, part of the problem is the tools have stabilized for what several of us previously active developers needed
<mnemoc_> the momentum of GNUe?
<jcater> mnemoc_, I assume from the context, he's talking within the realm of the ERP part
<wt> from the common infrastructure stuff
<wt> you still have to write a whole app in gnue
<wt> there is no standard way of doing a chart of accounts, for instance
<wt> that I am aware
<mnemoc_> GNUe is a framework
<mnemoc_> which let you build your ERP over it
<jcater> yes, well that is part of the image problem gnue has
<wt> I understand
<jcater> when most people come in, they think we are primarily an ERP project
<jcater> which we are not
<wt> not looking for erp
* jcater was speaking in general
<wt> looking for components that work
<wt> not speaking of the tools
<jcater> we have a marketing problem
<wt> I mean gnue apps, if you will
<jcater> which affects the development of everything :-/
<jcater> okay
<wt> what?
<jcater> what what?
<wt> what what what? :-P
<mnemoc_> i think you should create another project, a 'powered by GNUe' ERP, that may make things more clear
<mnemoc_> instead of having the samples on the same tree
<wt> hmmmm
<wt> that is a good idea
<jcater> wt, I have my son until the end of July
<jcater> but afterwards I could probably do a golum demo
<mnemoc_> first?
<jcater> only 1 son
<mnemoc_> i have three daughters... 5,4,1
<wt> jcater: that would be very cool
<jcater> mine is 6
<wt> jcater: I am glad you are getting some time with him
<mnemoc_> enjoy your child
* mnemoc_ kicks jcater out of irc
<jcater> he is cutting my hair right now
<mnemoc_> :)
<jcater> so it's fine
* jcater hopes he doesn't knock the guard off
<wt> I just wish I could import an XML Schema via the gnue tools
<wt> maybe I will see what I can do about importing into postgresql directly
<jcater> xml schema
<mnemoc_> wt: xsl is your friend
<jcater> ?
<wt> word
<wt> I have run into a few standards defined with XML schema
<wt> ADIS and the IRS stuff
<wt> and it would be nice just to be able to say "import these schemas"
<mnemoc_> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/socomep.png <--- this was generated from .gcd files
<wt> that dia?
<mnemoc_> dot
<wt> okay
<mnemoc_> with xsl you can convert those schemas into GNUe tables format
<wt> 	<xs:element name="adis04-1CompactAddressDetail.xml">
<wt> 		<xs:complexType>
<wt> 			<xs:sequence>
<wt> 				<xs:element name="header" type="adis:headerType"/>
<wt> 				<xs:sequence maxOccurs="unbounded">
<wt> 					<xs:element name="productionGroupHeader" type="adis:productionGroupHeaderType"/>
<wt> 					<xs:element name="detail" type="adis:detailType" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
<wt> 				</xs:sequence>
<wt> 			</xs:sequence>
<wt> 		</xs:complexType>
<wt> 	</xs:element>
<wt> I wanna import that
<wt> among other things
<mnemoc_> :\
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<wt> holycow
<holycow> hola
<wt> I just wanted to say holycow
<wt> I never have anything important to say, except that XML Schema should be a valid importable format for gnue-schema
<holycow> ditto :)
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<mnemoc_> wt: i think noone will object if you implement customtypes on GNUe :)
<wt> mnemoc_: what do you do for gnue?
<wt> I am just curious
<wt> or more appropriate, what is your interest?
<mnemoc_> currently i'm learning python while coding a POS and managment system on GNUe
<mnemoc_> but i'll need to extend some bits because i need more complete curses interface
<mnemoc_> i hope to be sending contributions in about 1 month
<mnemoc_> so #here i just idle and ask dumb questions
<mnemoc_> for nwo
<mnemoc_> wt: and you?
<ahz> I'm interested in creating a non-profit donor and volunteer management system in GNUe
<ahz> I never saw a system like GNUe, but it is almost exactly what I had in mind.
<wt> ahz: I am with you
<wt> ahz: but I don't know where to start
<ahz> I have had a hard time getting started because of the GNUe documentation first, and Fedora Core 4 second.  FC4 doesn't like wxWidgets 2.4, which is what GNUe seems to require.
<ahz> I think I finally got wxWidgets and wxPython 2.4 built right, so I am going to play with the samples.  And I have to learn Python.
<ahz> Does anyone know whether GNUe will support wxPython 2.6 soon?
<wt> nothing happens soon in this project
<wt> Well, I am just gonna try messing with a chart of accounts implementation I have been messing with
<wt> one that allows multiple ledgers
<wt> maybe I will see if I can get gnue-forms to work again
<wt> what file do I edit for database connections?
<ahz> /etc/gnue/connections.conf
<wt> is there one that can be in your home dir?
<wt> nevermind
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