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<derek> if someone sees neilt around let me know
<derek> u can freak him out and let him know i am an OS X user now a days
<derek> and looking for some help getting gnue up and running on OS X :)
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<michael301080> good morning
<dimas> good morning
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<reinhard> good morning
<derek> good morning
<dimas> massive migration to OS X...
<derek> ?
<dimas> neilt, johannes, you, who next?
<reinhard> dimas: no kidding - it kinda worries me
<dimas> :)
<reinhard> as more and more users are willing to sacrifice their freedom for a more beautiful UI if they get the same functions
<reinhard> and it shows the danger of the "pragmatic" arguments to use free software
<reinhard> "free software is more stable, no virus, no worms, more software available"
<reinhard> ..."well, if it's about that, then I'll better use mac osx"
<derek> for me it is mostly a work thing
<derek> i must admit i am falling in love with some of the features and definitely the look
<reinhard> it's not against you *personally*
<reinhard> like it's not against neilt and johannes either
<derek> best i can put it
<reinhard> it's just the trend that worries me
<derek> the feeling of going from windows to linux (red hat)
<derek> was refreshing
<derek> the move from red hat to debian
<derek> was refreshing (real packaging)
<derek> the move from debian to ubuntu
<derek> was refreshing (stuff just works)
<derek> the move from ubuntu to OSX
<derek> was refreshing
<derek> i cant wait for linux to get this kind of polish
* derek notes it isnt far off
<reinhard> anyway
<reinhard> gotta run to customer
<reinhard> bbl
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<derek> trend definitely is worrisome though
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<btami> reinhard: i got this error with hotline/tickets
<btami> Traceback (most recent call last):
<btami>    File "<unknown_executioncontext>", line 17, in __main___ON_ACTIVATION
<btami>  IndexError: list index out of range
<reinhard> huh?
<reinhard> with which form?
<reinhard> I use hotline more or less daily
<kilo> ticket
<reinhard> ticket?
<reinhard> you mean
<reinhard> generated form?
<btami> i just started with it, added 1-1 records to parametars and customer
<btami> then want to add a ticket
<btami> from navigator
<kilo> hotline.gfd
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> you have hotline_mitarbeiter table filled with data?
<reinhard> you need your login name in hotline_username
<btami> ah
<reinhard> as it will store the user for every ticket
<btami> cool, it's ok now
<btami> thx
<reinhard> great
<reinhard> btw thanks for your win32 fixes
<reinhard> I hope you won't hate me now but I've got 2 more minor issues with win32
<reinhard> first is if you have a multiline edit and you have more lines of text than are visible on screen, it seems like the cursor gets out of the visible area when you move it down
<reinhard> and the second is that it seems you can't select an entry from a dropdown by simply typing the text of the entry
<reinhard> ("it seems" means I wasn't able to test myself yet)
<btami> will try to fix them
<btami> i have one too for you :)
<btami> i typed something in the customer entry, then push "search" button
<btami> it says: "Can't find..."
<btami> then click into customer entry to correct it
<btami> but backspace and delete keys don't work
<reinhard> which ui?
<btami> gtk2
<reinhard> hmm
<reinhard> just tried it, works for me
<reinhard> let me try again
<reinhard> yes, both work, del and backspace
<btami> hmm, maybe gtk/pygtk version differences...
<reinhard> do backspace and delete work for you *before* you clicked on search button?
<kilo> yes it did
<btami> yep
<reinhard> and you closed the message box before you tried, right?
<btami> 2.4.14/2.4.1
<btami> yep
<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> I have 2.6.4/2.6.1
<reinhard> but still strange
<reinhard> I wouldn't expect gtk updates to change stuff like keyboard handling
<kilo> 2.6.1, ubuntu at me, doesnt work either
<reinhard> just a sec
<reinhard> let me check if I have latest svn
<btami> are you running from navigator ?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> yes, I'll try that
<johannesV> reinhard, xmlrpc using objects in all situations is working :)
<johannesV> *phu* ...
<johannesV> it looks a bit hackish atm, but i'll refine and clean up in the afternoon ...
<kilo> you were very much lost and silent... we we sure something big is coming :)
<johannesV> :)
<johannesV> yeah
<johannesV> indeed i think this change would be a bigger step for appserver ...
<johannesV> improving security and stablility ...
<johannesV> but, well, i'll need some more time ...
<reinhard> johannesV: great
<reinhard> btami, kilo: updated svn to 7900 and run form from navigator, still everything works for me
<kilo> you using Ubuntu, right?
<reinhard> debian
<reinhard> johannesV uses ubuntu
<kilo> ah
<reinhard> johannesV: maybe you can test hotline form - did you see btami/kilo's problem?
<reinhard> off to lunch now, will test further after lunch
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<johannesV> btami, kilo: hotline.gfd works fine for me, cannot reproduce the bug you've mentioned above; i'm using ubuntu with gtk-2.6.4 and pygtk-2.6.1
<johannesV> btw. reinhard using appserver via ipsec vpn works great :)
<kilo> pfff thx
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<jamest> I'd never heard of pypy before http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html
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<michael301080> bye
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<michael301080> Has anyone seen these demos at: http://www.nexaweb.com/demos.asp ?
<michael301080> They are pretty impressive.
<michael301080> It's about Rich Internet Applications
<michael301080> Java client running in webbrowser, J2EE app server, XUL & SVG user interface ...
<chillywilly> no java here man
<chillywilly> geez, I wish gnome-terminal and screen would play nice together
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<michael301080> chillywilly: I was just pointing out that it looked nice ...
<chillywilly> I was just saying that I cannot look at it because I don't have the java plugin for firefox 1.5b1
<chillywilly> I'll take your word for it ;)
<michael301080> Well, to be precise, I can't look at it either. ;-)
<michael301080> Just see the flash demo...
<michael301080> The link says "Take the guided tour".
<chillywilly> I don't think I have any decent plugins for this version of firefox
<chillywilly> oh well
<chillywilly> don't feel like installing them either atm :)
<michael301080> OK.
<michael301080> I thought this might interest the group.
<michael301080> Jamest showed a link to matisse: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/matisse.html ...
<michael301080> somewhere in august, to show where he would like to get designer going
<michael301080> netbeans is java stuff too.
<chillywilly> right
<jamest> that goes into the beta netbeans 5.0 this month if they hit the timeline
<jamest> and while i dispise coding in java, netbeans is an amazing IDE
<jamest> though eric3 doesn't do too terrible bad for python
<chillywilly> it's not cool to take a shot in the netbeans ;)
<jamest> :)
<jamest> michael301080: when I worked at KSU they tried deploying java clients
<jamest> they quickly stopped doing it
<jamest> what ended up happening was that you had several departments on campus all with client side java apps
<jamest> and you ended up with a situation where
<jamest> app 1 worked with myBrowser 1.2, 1.4, 2.0 but not 1.6, 2.1
<jamest> app 2 worked with myBrowser 1.2, 1.6, 2.1 but not 2.0, 1.4
<michael301080> is eric3 an IDE for python?
<jamest> app 3 worked with myBrowser 1.6 or 2.2 only
<jamest> michael301080: yure
<jamest> er, yes
<michael301080> jamest: I see your point.
<jamest> supporting that mess of apps/browsers in the office is one reason I really took a disliking to client side java
<johannesV> ok, who was that playing with displayHandlers ?
<jamest> maybe that's improved over the years
<johannesV> datetime-values are no longer working
<michael301080> I just saw the demo after getting the JRE5 or something plugged in into firefox
* jamest hides
<johannesV> :)
<chillywilly> heh
* chillywilly is building ipk's for openwrt
<jamest> i split them apart a few weeks ago, before I got yanked onto something that needed done (quite literally) 2 weeks ago project :)
<chillywilly> ipks
<jamest> but functionality wise i didn't change anything yet that's commited
<michael301080> got to go, thanks guys
<jamest> it was only supposed to be the initial split in svn
<johannesV> hm, so maybe it's another problem with that datetimes then
<jamest> what's it doing?
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<jamest> actually
<jamest> my timeclock app shows datetime fields
<jamest> my svn here is a day or two old
<johannesV> jamest, meanwhile i think it's an xmlrpc-issue ...
<johannesV> will dig into ...
<jamest> i just tried w/ typecast="date" and typecast="datetime"
<jamest> both work fine with latest svn for insert, update, delete from a postgresql timestamp field
<johannesV> yeah, i'm getting closer ...
<johannesV> pb seems to be that i get a DateTimeDelta using two tier, and DateTime using three trier
<johannesV> where the latter one fails since it's year is set to 1, which in turn can't be converted using strftime () (in input/displayHandlers/DateTime.py)
<jamest> don't you just love dates
<johannesV> :)
<reinhard> cu all
<jamest> l8r
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<chillywilly> 3min to transfer 321MB is what data rate? :)
<jamest> 107MB a minute?
<jamest> =)
<chillywilly> I want Mpbs :)
<chillywilly> I can do that math I suppose... :)
<chillywilly> eh, who cares
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<jcater> I agree
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<aspinformatica> svn://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk gnue
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