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<michael301080> hello all
<reinhard> hi michael301080
<michael301080> can anyone tell me why http://www.gnuenterprise.org/irc-logs/ and /irc-logs/gnue-public.log gives me a 403 Forbidden (no permission to access it)
<michael301080> hi reinhard
<reinhard> www.gnuenterprise.org has moved to a new server
<michael301080> ah
<reinhard> and not everything is quite ready now
<michael301080> oh OK, sorry
<reinhard> np
<reinhard> probably it's a good hint for jamest/jcater anyway
<michael301080> lol
<michael301080> reinhard: do you have any experience with sql-ledger?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> I am not exactly a friend of web applications
<reinhard> save of the language of mordor (= perl)
<michael301080> I understand.
<michael301080> it says on their website that it's quite capable of running a business' accounting
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<reinhard> err that "save" was a translation error - should of course be "much less the language of mordor" or something like that...
<michael301080> how does gnue accounting compare to that?
<michael301080> :-) got ot
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<michael301080> s/ot/it
<reinhard> yes, I've heard businesses running their accounting on sql ledger
<reinhard> the major difference between sql ledger and gnue accounting is that sql ledger exists
<reinhard> which might be a k.o. criterium for some businesses
<michael301080> they have templates for setting up reports etc, which seem quite easy to setup
<michael301080> when do you think gnue accounting will exist? (not saying that it 'll exist after I make it)
<reinhard> currently I'd say in a year or so
<reinhard> problem is that I say this for 4 years now
<michael301080> lol :-)
<michael301080> there have been several attempts, right?
<reinhard> but opposed to earlier, I've actually started seriously working on it
<michael301080> gnue-sb , the aria stuff, ...
<reinhard> there have been several attempts from others
<michael301080> You're working on LUCA
<reinhard> my plan exists for several years now independently from those attempts
<reinhard> yes, gnue-luca
<michael301080> I'm looking forward to that
<reinhard> me too
<reinhard> ;-)
<michael301080> ;-)
<michael301080> Is there a way I can help with that besides translating?
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> first of all you could check out gnue-luca, see if you can get it to run, look at the source and see whether you can understand the concept
<reinhard> and tell me what you think
<michael301080> OK I will.
<michael301080> where can I find it? is it svn?
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> it has its own repository
<reinhard> although I'm not sure anonymous SVN works right now
<reinhard> should be svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue-luca/trunk
<michael301080> let me know when it does, so I can check it out.
<michael301080> OK, I'll try.
<reinhard> I have no idea whether anonymous svn works or not, you might just try
<michael301080> Could not open the requested svn filesystem ... :-(
<reinhard> ok, will talk to jcater today
<kilo> reinhard, in your opinion, how should an app react: if the cursor is on one block, and you click on another block's scrollbar, should that action move the cursor to the latter?
<reinhard> I don't think clicking on a scrollbar should move the cursor at all
<kilo> problem is: moving a scrollbar is calling the current block's nextXXX prevXXX now
<reinhard> the *current* block's?
<reinhard> that's pretty wrong IMHO
<kilo> so if the cursor is in another block...
<kilo> see dimas' problem above
<reinhard> it should call the *scrollbar's* block's functions
<reinhard> every scrollbar has a block associated with it, doesn't it?
<kilo> btami is doing scuba diving on that
* reinhard must confess he never used a scrollbar in gnue in his life
<kilo> lol
<btami> reinhard: the pb we use requestXXX Events in uidriver level
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<reinhard> so this seems to be a design bug
<btami> it runs GFInstance functions, and these calls GFForm functions
<btami> yep
<reinhard> possible fix might be to add the block as a parameter to the event
<reinhard> or to invent a new event
<reinhard> not sure how urgent this is for you or for dimas
<reinhard> but I'd feel better if we talked to jamest about this
<reinhard> I have no clue about scrollbar at all
<btami> ok
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<johannesV_> btami, there are still issues with multiline-edits in win32
<johannesV_> if the text has been added with a wx or gtk-form
<johannesV_> the line-breaks don't work properly in win32 afterwards
<kilo> you run a form on windows using wx and add text there?
<johannesV_> no, i run the form on linux for gtk or wx
<johannesV_> and win32 on the notebook
<btami> \n or \r\n ?
<btami> this is the question
<btami> on win \r\n is the new line
<btami> as you know
<btami> but on other platforms only \n
<btami> what to do?
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<reinhard> btami: I think best would be to do \n everywhere
<reinhard> in any case we should be able to handle multiline text in inhomogenous environments
<reinhard> i.e. some clients with win, some with gtk
<btami> gtk2 ui runs on win32 too
<btami> so it's a platform pb
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<reinhard> good point
<btami> and maybe it affect the new input/displayhandler stuff too
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<btami> bbl
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<johannesV_> reinhard, wrt scrollbars and blocks ... gtk2 driver is buggy too ...
<johannesV_> scrollbar fires wrong block-movement
<johannesV_> will investigate right now ..
<johannesV_> hmm
<johannesV_> tricky
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<reinhard> sigh
<btami> what
<reinhard> today is just the kind of day where it approaches 5 p.m. and you realize you've got *nothing* done...
<reinhard> I can't even remember what I did all day
<btami> lol
<johannesV_> reinhard, i'm facing another problem wrt blocks and scrollbars
<reinhard> maybe I fell asleep 4 hours and didn't notice
<reinhard> ;-)
<johannesV_> the block calls switchRecord () *before* the UIWidgets are created
<johannesV_> but *after* the GFObjects are built
<johannesV_> so the GFScrollbar has registered himself already
<reinhard> so you have to add a
<johannesV_> but when it comes to an adjustScrollbar () the GFScrollbar has a problem
<reinhard> if self._uiwidget is not None:
<johannesV_> right
<johannesV_> something like that :)
<johannesV_> it's really weired ...
<reinhard> however this pretty much shows how the order of things in forms startup is broken
<johannesV_> that was exactly what i was about to say :)
<btami> is ash dow again?
<btami> down
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<johannesV_> hm, ok, so there's that focus-problem left then
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<btami> johannesV_: thx for the gtk2 fixes!
<johannesV_> i'm not finished yet :)
<btami> i see
<johannesV_> but they get harder and harder ...
<jcater> is svn working ok for you guys?
<reinhard> <btami> is ash dow again?
<reinhard> and:
<reinhard> <reinhard> I have no idea whether anonymous svn works or not, you might just try
<reinhard> <michael301080> Could not open the requested svn filesystem ... :-(
<reinhard> (earlier today about gnue-luca)
<btami> what ip the ash is on?
<reinhard> FWIW, svn works for me
<reinhard> $ host ash.gnuenterprise.org
<reinhard> ash.gnuenterprise.org has address 209.234.155.8
<btami> thx
<jcater> that's the old ash
<reinhard> oh
<jcater> www, svn, mail, etc point to the new ip
<jcater> but ash still points to the old one for now until everything got moved over
<reinhard> $ host svn.gnuenterprise.org
<reinhard> svn.gnuenterprise.org has address 70.158.36.94
<reinhard> yep, right
<johannesV_> svn.gnuenterprise.org has address 70.158.36.94
<reinhard> I use svn.gnuenterprise.org, so it works for me
<johannesV_> ah
<johannesV_> you're a bit faster
<reinhard> yeah, that's my 700 MHz server
<reinhard> ;-)
<johannesV_> *lol*
<btami> i can't ping the new ip :(
<btami> hmm
<btami> it worked from my office, but doesn't work here, at home
<jcater> fwiw
<jcater> this ash has a few more safeguards in place
<jcater> one of the things is it uses iptable's recent module
<jcater> to limit the number of ssh attempts from the same ip address
<jcater> so if you fail to log in 3 times in a row
<jcater> you'll just have to wait 60+ seconds before you can try again
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<reinhard> bbl
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<johannesV_> btami, where does a scrollbar move the record in win32 driver ?
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<johannesV_> ah, think i've got it
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<johannesV__> hm, that win32 really sucks ...
<johannesV__> *lol*
<johannesV__> i'm glad i don't have to use it ...
<johannesV__> could it be that we don't get commit-mails atm ?
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<johannesV__> good night all
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<reinhard> off to sleep
<reinhard> good night all
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<dvoss> 'lo
<dvoss> I noticed that I can't download any of the Windows installers from http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php.
<dvoss> Are they not public?
<kilo> the are, had some server problems recently, plz check again the morn
<dvoss> k thx
<dvoss> Do they work? :)
<kilo> yes, definitely
<dvoss> Cool. I'll check it out tomorrow.
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<ajmitch> latest gnue-* debs are in sid & breezy, just in time for breezy release next month
<ajmitch> please report any issues with them, since I can't unbreak stuff after release
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<reinhard> good morning all
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<reinhard> ajmitch: excellent.
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<johannesV> good morning
<dimas> good morning
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<reinhard> hi kilo
<reinhard> I have a question about windows ui
<reinhard> IIRC windows had 2 kinds of dropdowns
<kilo> morning
<reinhard> one where you can also type in a text
<reinhard> and one where you can only select from the list
<kilo> basically yes
<reinhard> where for the latter, you can only use the keyboard to type the *first* letter of the needed item
<reinhard> is it possible to use the former in a form?
<reinhard> so one can type "fo" to select the entry "foobar"
<kilo> is it not working that way now?
<reinhard> AFAICT no
<reinhard> f brings you to the first entry starting with f
<reinhard> but second letter doesn't seem to work
<kilo> hmm
<reinhard> so if I also have fab, fizz and fed
<reinhard> I must use the mouse or the cursor keys to scroll through
<dimas> reinhard: works for me, checked right now
<reinhard> (alhtough I'm not even sure if the cursor keys wouldn't navigate to the next/prev record)
<reinhard> dimas: under win32?
<dimas> oh, no
<dimas> sorry
<kilo> ah ok, confirmed
<reinhard> this is more or less the last thing on my current list with the customer
<reinhard> I'd like to do a bugfix release after this if you agree
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<johannesV> win32-dropdown: if you have two entries in a dropdown "foo" and "otto", typeing "f" jumps to 'foo', typing next 'o' (=fo) it jumps to "otto"
<kilo> and otto isnt happy being jumped upon :)
<johannesV> yeah :)