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<btami> good morning
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<dimas> good morning
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<dimas_> btami, what is the newer build for win32?
<dimas_> will download everything for win32 from http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php
<btami> dimas: i don't understand
<dimas_> was there any updates after last release?
<btami> in gnue-* packages : no
<btami> in runtime : yes
<btami> fixes for reinhard in pil handling iirc
<dimas_> ok, will grab all
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<johannesV> ah, jamest ... :)
<johannesV> jamest, what do you think about requiring wx.2.6 for forms ? is that possible at all or just to far away ...
<jamest> do any distros support 2.6?
<jamest> and what would we gain?
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<johannesV> well, i think 2.6 contains a lot of fixes; it's the current stable, contains almost all controls we'd need, looks good using gtk2, win32, osx and reinhard an me thought about creating a universal, and working ui-driver, replacing that gtk2 and win32 driver in the future
<johannesV> (as we're also thinking about doing a heavy rework of forms ... )
<johannesV> the ubuntu breezy has 2.6 already, edge too (i think)
<johannesV> os x comes with 2.5.3 built in
<johannesV> as i see things one advantage of having a 'working' wx-driver is we could use 'one' driver implementation to use forms on a wide range of platforms
<johannesV> and it looks like wx2.6 has improved a lot (compared to 2.4)
* SachaS congrats the austrians for continues hard work on gnue!
<SachaS> u guys rule
<SachaS> :)
<johannesV> SachaS, thanks :)
<johannesV> brb
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> timing is everything
<jamest> the original idea of the wx driver was that
<jamest> but the differences in unlying widget sets in wx cause some pain
<jamest> i'm not against a wx drive
<jamest> and with forms system of ui drivers it'd be cake to just copy the wx driver dir to wx26
<jamest> and go to town
<jamest> though if some hard core ui work is being done
<jamest> i'd sure like to see about ways of allowing it to also be used outside forms
<reinhard> the point is that wx could save us from hard core ui work
<jamest> as for working wx
<reinhard> let's put it this way
<jamest> that's still all i use :)
<reinhard> we are trying to find out whether wx 2.6 is really giving us what we were expeciting from wx2.4 (and not getting there)
<jamest> so you're talking about ditching the other dirvers completely
<reinhard> no
<jamest> or maintaining the curses and making wx the main one
<jamest> but based on 2.6
<reinhard> actually we're talking about updating wx to 2.6 and then look how usable and stable it is
<jamest> ah
<reinhard> and *then* decide whether to put our focus on wx or on native drivers
<jamest> could we just add a 2nd dir then for now with xw26
<jamest> er wx26
<jamest> as I do run head in production
<reinhard> I think that's what we would have to do
<jamest> then I'm cool with it
<reinhard> if you use wx and depend on 2.4
<jamest> right now I do
<reinhard> ok
<jamest> i want to move to qt
<reinhard> seriously
<jamest> but wx 2.6 may fix the issues i have with 2.4
<reinhard> the more I searched the net for anygui like projects
<jamest> they all suck compared to wx :)
<reinhard> that target at a common widget set for different uis
<reinhard> and could be a starting point for a non-db specific abstraction layer
<reinhard> the more I found that you don't get around wx
<reinhard> everybody else points you to wx
<jamest> it's why the first driver in forms was wx
<jamest> most bang for the buck
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<reinhard> so I figured we might, instead of creating our own widget abstraction, try to get wx up to speed again
<reinhard> and better invest in fixing/improving wx instead of reinventing the wheel
<reinhard> which might even include things like creating a qt3 ui plugin for wx if they are willing to accept patches
<reinhard> but still, first step is just trying to get forms run with wx 2.6 and see how we come to love or hate wx
<jamest> they are
<jamest> i'm fine with that
<jamest> if i can find wx2.6 for sarge then I'd be willing to install here as wel
<jamest> as now that shipping, accounting, purchasing, and sales all depend on forms I'm sure we'd iron out bugs fairly quickly :)
<reinhard> I think we'll go for the separate wx26
<jamest> definately
<reinhard> then you can still go where you want
<jamest> but i'd be able to help with testing and fixing
<reinhard> even wx24 for user A and wx26 for user B
<jamest> yip
<jamest> i was thinking I could move sales to it first
<jamest> if wx2.6 fixed the 2.4 checkbox
<jamest> the gtk checkbox in 2.4 sucks
<jamest> users can't seem to tell if it's checked or unchecked
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> I think that's a general gtk1 widget set problem
<jamest> actually that's the #1 gripe from our vehicle inspection team as well
<reinhard> this should most probably be better in wx2.6
<reinhard> but then again, if you use gtk anyway
<reinhard> why don't you try the gtk2 driver for now?
<jamest> we're locked into gnue here :)
<jamest> i tried several times
<jamest> it frags the forms layout
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> yes, that
<jamest> and my forms are pretty packed
<reinhard> wrt boxes, right?
<reinhard> maybe johannes could hack something?
<reinhard> if you send him a sample of a form that doesn't look ok in gtk2
<jamest> i don't recall, i'll try and look again today
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