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<btami> good morning
<reinhard> good morning all
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<siesel> Hi
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<SachaS> hi everyone
<SachaS> http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,106634,00.html?source=NLT_PM&nid=106634
<SachaS> just got this note
<SachaS> sounds good to me.
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<reinhard> good night all
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<chillywilly> hey ppl
<jcater> hey chilly
<chillywilly> wassup?
<jcater> not much here
<chillywilly> I suppose...
<chillywilly> This used to be such a happening place ;)
<ajmitch__> it still is
<chillywilly> that's what you say
* jcater dances the robot
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<jcater> 
<jcater> see
<jcater> we're happening
<chillywilly> you need help
<dneighbors> jcater you will love this
<dneighbors> i looked out window at work the other day
<dneighbors> and 8 to 10 krispy kreme trucks were lined up at the dock bay
<jcater> hmm
<dneighbors> sees LDC landed a contract to distribute krispy kreme donuts
<jcater> mmm
<jcater> ya know, I haven't had a donut in probably 6 months
<jcater> :-0
<dneighbors> you know those hostess ones that are like 1in in diameter that come in a sleeve of like 6
* jcater needs to rectify that
<jcater> yeah
<dneighbors> well there are only three or so machines in krispy kreme that make those
<dneighbors> and i guess two of them are located in arizona
<dneighbors> so LDC is gonna be the one distributing them
<chillywilly> bribe him with donuts ;)
<dneighbors> oddly i think you will be able to buy them in your local autozone :)
<chillywilly> *yawn*
<dneighbors> all i know is there are boxes and boxes of them laying around the conference room
<dneighbors> BUT
<chillywilly> it's getting late
<dneighbors> there were boxes of pizza in there too
<dneighbors> so i passed on the donuts
<dneighbors> is bigbrother` broked?
<dneighbors> !bigbrother` help
<chillywilly> bigbrother`: boo
<dneighbors> bigbrother`: seen derek
<bigbrother`> dneighbors: derek was last seen in # 5 days, 21 hours, 46 minutes, and 14 seconds ago saying: <derek> i dont have much time to contribute, but something like that is something i can do fairly easily
<dneighbors> bigbrother`: help
<bigbrother`> dneighbors: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
<dneighbors> bigbrother`: weather 85233
<bigbrother`> dneighbors: The current temperature in Gilbert, Arizona (85233) Conditions & is 53°F (8:48 PM MST on December 01, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 30°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa. Visibility: 15.0 miles 24.1 kilometers.  Air stagnation advisory in effect until 10 am MST Friday... 
<jcater> bigbrother` weather 38654
<bigbrother`> jcater: The current temperature in Olive Branch, Mississippi (38654) Conditions & is 35°F (10:53 PM CST on December 01, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 23°F. Windchill: 30°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers. 
<jcater> he was just resting, I guess
* dneighbors wanted to know how cold it was in chillywilly's part of the world
<dneighbors> bigbrother`: weather milwaukee, wi
<bigbrother`> dneighbors: The current temperature in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (53201) Conditions & is 21°F (10:52 PM CST on December 01, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12°F. Windchill: 6°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers. 
<jcater> holy crap
* jcater reminds himself why he lives in the south
<chillywilly> bigbrother`: 53089
<chillywilly> bigbrother`: weather 53089
<bigbrother`> chillywilly: The current temperature in Sussex, Wisconsin (53089) Conditions & is 19°F (10:58 PM CST on December 01, 2005). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 17°F. Windchill: 3°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers. 
<dneighbors> im laughing that mine zipcode is missing that "Windchill:" parameter
<chillywilly> bigbrother`: weather 53029
<bigbrother`> chillywilly: The current temperature in Hartland, Wisconsin (53029) Conditions & is 19°F (10:58 PM CST on December 01, 2005). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 17°F. Windchill: 3°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers. 
<chillywilly> that's where havoc lives
<dneighbors> jcater: you done much development lately?
<chillywilly> same numbers
<jcater> gnue, or in general?
<dneighbors> eitehr
<dneighbors> either even
<dneighbors> how about you chillywilly
<jcater> gnue, not at all
<jcater> well, internally
<jcater> I have a few utils to commit
<jcater> basically check digit formulas
<jcater> here at work, I do coding maybe 10% of my time
<jcater> working in QT a lot
<dneighbors> being an avid web client hater
<jcater> now that they've GPL'd the windows client too
<dneighbors> i am really astonished at what AJAX brings to the table
<dneighbors> a year ago it was ugly ass java script
<dneighbors> but with rails it totally abstracts all that
<dneighbors> im finding web apps to be more feature rich than gui apps
<dneighbors> never in a million years thought i would say that
<chillywilly> dneighbors: I am not doing much at the moment, but I am playing with rails and reading this book right now
<dneighbors> anyway.. definitely worth looking at rails
<chillywilly> Agile Web Development with Rails
<dneighbors> chillywilly: that is a great book
<jcater> I have a full-time web developer here now
<jcater> tought her python and zope, so that's what she spends her time doing
<jcater> she comes from java, though
<dneighbors> i will also say active record is REALLY nice
<dneighbors> chillywilly: i encourage you to read that section in the book
<chillywilly> dneighbors: I built the Depot app a long time ago...I had started read that but I put it down for so long I frogot a lot
<chillywilly> reading*
<dneighbors> definitely check out scriptalous (sp)
<chillywilly> yea, I've been there
<chillywilly> I've even used Basecamp for some things
* dimas_ started to use django instead of RoR
<dneighbors> dimas_: very interesting
<chillywilly> I kinda like Ruby
<jcater> I've been wanting to play around with django
<dimas_> i've installed RoR then started to look for similar projects in python
<dimas_> django and turbogears seems on the top of the list
<jcater> I had not seen turbogears before
<jcater> interesting
<dimas_> very
<jcater> though any project that refers to themselves as a megaframework
<jcater> makes me wonder... :)
<dneighbors> turbogears is a pile of poo best i can gather
<dneighbors> it basically just is trying to glue existing stuff together
<dneighbors> django could be interesting
<dneighbors> at first (and still to a degree) i dont like ruby and miss python
<dimas_> django is cool
<dneighbors> but more and more it is becoming normal
<jcater> I have way too much business logic in python now
<jcater> to move to anything else
<jcater> and training of my developers
<dneighbors> yeah stuff we are doing is all new development so was easy to jump
<dneighbors> django looks promising
<dneighbors> hopefully it will mature quickly
<dneighbors> so dimas_ when will there be a django gnue client ready ;)
<dneighbors> jcater: you ever get converted off oracle?
<jcater> our new business is 100% opensource
* dneighbors is really impressed with newest versions of postgres
<jcater> postgres + zope + python + gnue + debian
<dimas_> i have some tests that get data from gnue-appserver directly
<dneighbors> no ubuntu :)
<dneighbors> ajmitch__: hasnt converted you yet
<jcater> my laptop is ubuntu
<jcater> but beyond that, no
<jcater> I see no advantage
<dneighbors> breezy has a nice server install
<dneighbors> and is a little more updated than debian tends to be (but not bleeding edge)
<jcater> I've considered moving my LTSP servers to kubuntu, as those are my client servers
<dneighbors> that would be interesting
<jcater> but then slap myself back to sanity
* dneighbors misses good ole gnue
<dneighbors> how is tj doing>?
<jcater> I have hundreds of cfengine files
<jcater> to autoconfigure any debian server I throw at it
<jcater> and don't wnat to abandon that :)
<jcater> he is all over the place
<jcater> today he got an E in conduct
<jcater> the first time all year :)
<dneighbors> you should celebrate by taking him to get a donut ;)
<jcater> how's your crew?
<jcater> I haven't been on lj in a while to read up
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