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<btami> good morning
<dimas> good morning
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<johannesV> good morning
<ajmitch_> good evening
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<johannesV> where is that sample form having all kind of controls in it ?
<kilo> gauntlet?
<kilo> in gnue-samples/forms/testcases
<johannesV> ah, gnue-samples ... right ... thanks
<kilo> yw
<reinhard> oh, btw
<reinhard> good morning all
<kilo> goo dmorning :)
<kilo> eh
<johannesV> could it be that the listbox-control isn't working at all in any of our forms-drivers ?
<kilo> hmm it used to be early december
<johannesV> ?
<johannesV> kilo, which ui-driver ?
<kilo> gtk2 i use usually
<kilo> but maybe there was some strange behaviour...
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<johannesV> hm, well i was wondering ... but meanwhile i've found the shift+arrow keys to work on gtk2 for moving the selection
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<aries_mindworks> hi
<aries_mindworks> I'm trying to update gnue and gnue-contrib but it fails
<aries_mindworks> svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.gnuenterprise.org': A kapcsolat időtúllépés miatt megszakadt
<aries_mindworks> (timeout)
<reinhard> hmmm
<reinhard> I did update svn about 2 hours ago, and it worked
<johannesV> yeah, me too
<aries_mindworks> if i remove them, i can checkout, but then i still cant update
<aries_mindworks> Subversion command-line client, version 1.2.3.
<erkkie> hi people
<reinhard> FWIW svn up works for me
<erkkie> I have svn problems also, I think I traced that to problems with webdav & transparent proxys
<erkkie> it seems that my isp uses some clever transparent proxying, so that network "paths" are different for example for traceroute & http requests.. and some proxies cannot handle certain http features, that webdav (svn
<erkkie> svn libneon* seems to use
<johannesV> brb
<aries_mindworks> I don't play with gnue since a half year, in the last summer I was able to update
<aries_mindworks> the ISP is the same, the technologies behind I can't see
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<erkkie> I solved my svn problems just by using a different machine to get stuff from svn:p
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<aries_mindworks> hi
<aries_mindworks> the link on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/GnueContrib is wrong
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<aries_mindworks> s/gnue\//gnue-contrib\//
<reinhard> aries_mindworks: it's a wiki, you could actually change the page as you like :-)
<aries_mindworks> should I register?
<btami> hi aries_mindworks
<aries_mindworks> btami: hi
<btami> i'v just thought you gived up gnueing :)
<btami> wb again!
<btami> btw our wiki has lots of hidden(?) spam
<aries_mindworks> btami: just for a while
<aries_mindworks> btami: I've forgoten how can I set up a little gnue stuff :]
<btami> hmm, the wiki link seems ok for me
<aries_mindworks> ?
<aries_mindworks> the new one?
<btami> have you fixed it?
<btami> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/GnueContrib
<btami> this is ok forme
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<aries_mindworks>  Topic save error
<aries_mindworks>  During save of file Main.GnueContrib an error was found by the version control system. Please notify your TWiki administrator. ci: 2>&1,v: Permission denied
<aries_mindworks>  Go back in your browser and save your changes locally.
<aries_mindworks> you are notified :)
<btami> ok, i'v got this too before, but
<btami> i'm not the wiki administrator :(
<btami> jcater is...
<jcater> this is clearly chillywilly's fault
<reinhard> derek!
<reinhard> derek's fault
<nickr> chinese spam on wiki is the best.
<aries_mindworks> "everybodies fault, except me" ;)
<aries_mindworks> do you have a feature / expected release date roadmap or plans?
<aries_mindworks> btami: i have a little experience in python-wx as you see on the python mailing list
<btami> yep
<aries_mindworks> tomorrow I'm starting to learn again the gnue at home. I won't go to the office I got a break for this
<aries_mindworks> :)
<aries_mindworks> how do you think, if i'll be able, should I write documentations / howtos / blog in English or in my native language?
<aries_mindworks> my english is far from excellent and as everybody I can much more productive in my native language
<aries_mindworks> btami: how do you think, are there hungarian users other than us (+Kilo)
<aries_mindworks> ?
<btami> don't think so :(
<btami> at least i don't know others
<btami> aries_mindworks: feel free to write in hungarian anything
<btami> i feel with you, as i wrote nothing (docs) yet
<btami> if you write good docs, we can ask kilo to translate it to english :)
<btami> he is perfect in english and gaelic too
<aries_mindworks> wow
<aries_mindworks> gaelic?
<btami> just offer enough whisky to him
<btami> yes
<aries_mindworks> :D
<aries_mindworks> i remember, whiskies
<aries_mindworks> his favourites
<aries_mindworks> :)
<btami> he is ia gaelic gnome translation group member
<aries_mindworks> i think nothing can be better than a little szilvapálinka
<aries_mindworks> btami: is he a scotch?
<btami> kilo?
<aries_mindworks> yes
<btami> no he is hungarian
<btami> Kmetyk� G�bor
<btami> we work in the same firm/room
<aries_mindworks> I know, but the Gaelic is not too popular in Hungary :)
<btami> who knows :)
<aries_mindworks> I can't imagine how could he learn it
<aries_mindworks> English is easy, there's a lot of docs on the net what you can see / practice
* aries_mindworks would like to learn japanese :]
<btami> no japanese was here yet :)
<aries_mindworks> something is not clear for me. in that case should I use appserver, if I'd like to centralize my app?
<btami> centralize?
<btami> you can run forms from a server without appserver too
<btami> appserver is for 3 (or more) tier apps
<aries_mindworks> btami: my plan is that i'd like to implement our workflows in gnue, like invoice, contract generation, reports, etc
<aries_mindworks> btami: it's a HUGE work
<aries_mindworks> btami: but I must see clear that what should I use: 2tier or 3tier ?
<btami> yes, we all want this
<btami> it's your decision
<btami> wait a min...
<aries_mindworks> btami: why should I use appserver? it's an elegant way I see but I don't see the other benefits
<btami> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/appserver/docs/manual/devguide/General-Concepts.html#General-Concepts
<btami> but you better to ask reinhard for benefits
<btami> reinhard ?
<reinhard> I'm not here
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<btami> :)
<aries_mindworks> :)))
<reinhard> aries_mindworks: well, the link btami gave sums up pretty much the major points
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: I see
<reinhard> somebody once said appserver is like database triggers on dope
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: it's clear for me now
<aries_mindworks> thanks
<reinhard> with appserver you can do all kinds of stuff on creation, validation, storage or deletion of a record - everything that can be written in python
<reinhard> also you can have calculated fields that behave like they are stored in db, but in reality they are calculated at runtime
<aries_mindworks> does these projects have a roadmap?
<aries_mindworks> do you feel GNUe is a successful?
<reinhard> you can even sort and filter by calculated properties
<reinhard> as to the roadmap
<reinhard> problem is that speed of development depends on number of developers
<reinhard> which is not predictable very well in a project like this
<reinhard> we feel gnue is successful from the technical side
<reinhard> but we seem to suck at documentation and marketing
<aries_mindworks> good documentation => good tutorials => many people involved => many contributors (maybe payed) => state of the art products
<reinhard> at least we see other projects getting much more public attention that offer a much lower feature list
<btami> aries_mindworks: my firm uses a conact management (appserver based) day by day
* aries_mindworks hopes his company good in marketing
<btami> and the invoicing is nearly ready
<aries_mindworks> i'd like to help
<aries_mindworks> but I think I don't have enough time and talent to do valueable implementations in the core
<aries_mindworks> are there others who are in the same shoes?
<reinhard> aries_mindworks: that's great
<aries_mindworks> we should create docs
<aries_mindworks> :)
<reinhard> we have time and hope to have talent to implement the core
<reinhard> but we suck at docs and marketing :)
<reinhard> so we would make up a great team :)
<aries_mindworks> :)
<aries_mindworks> I hope too :)
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: you're working in the EU now?
<reinhard> yep
<reinhard> austria
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: to improve the ventures' and enterprises' productivity has the EU's strategic priority
<btami> aries_mindworks: are you from Gy�r, arn't you ?
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: maybe we can claim for some bucks to improve the GNUE
<aries_mindworks> btami: no, I'm from Veszprém
<btami> ah, ok
<aries_mindworks> btami: 300km from you
<aries_mindworks> :)
<btami> yes:)
<btami> seems reinhard is your hearset gnue member
<btami> s/hearset/nearest
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: are there any paid developer now?
<aries_mindworks> does GNUe has a logo or any marketing identity?
<btami> kilo and me, when we work on gnue (not these days) and johannes, reinhard the same, as i know
<btami> we has no logo yet
<reinhard> yes what btami said as to paid developers (johannes currently working on gnue)
<reinhard> we kinda have a logo - what's on the web page
<reinhard> brb
<aries_mindworks> btami: the first task what others can't do is to write a roadmap with features, plans, ideas and timeline
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: I don't see that logo
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: on the first page
<aries_mindworks> reinhard: can you give me a link?
<btami> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/common/roadmap.php
<btami> same for forms, reports,designer
<btami> have to go
<btami> bbl
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<aries_mindworks> btami_away: this roadmap is good, but you should write down the far future too
<aries_mindworks> btami_away: like here http://moodle.org/doc/?frame=future.html&MoodleSession=3105966acf2aa5c7257a99e8ac2e1d31
<aries_mindworks> i hope i can implement a little stuff for an internet café to store who / when   took a seat / went away
<aries_mindworks> see you on Thursday
<aries_mindworks> bye
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<reinhard> good night
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