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<btami> good morning
<dimas> good morning
<reinhard> good morning all
<dimas> hello reinhard
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<johannesV> good afternoon everybody
<kilo> hullo johannesV
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<kilo> johannesV: have you recently used the released windows client for forms?
<johannesV> i'd say not recently ... why ?
<johannesV> about one month ago
<kilo> well we found some strange behaviour... with dropdowns of course...
<johannesV> yeah, i know ... :)
<johannesV> dropdowns are weird in all uidrivers ... but i'm trying to eliminate that with the new wx26 driver ...
<kilo> like you cant select anything?
<johannesV> i've had some spare time left these days and did some artwork for gnue ...
<johannesV> what do you think about this new splash-screen: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~johannes/splash.png
<johannesV> kilo, do you mean the win32 driver or the wx driver ?
<kilo> hmm i would say WOW to the splash...
<kilo> the win32 driver
<johannesV> as i will change (improve the wx26 driver) as i get some more time
<btami> nice
<johannesV> do you think we could replace the old gnue-splash.png with this one ?
<kilo> 1 vote for yes...
<btami> sure
<johannesV> ok, thanks ... :)
<reinhard> of course there is *no* hidden message behind the fact that the earth in the picture is shown with Europe in front and America in the back
<reinhard> ;-)
<reinhard> j/k
<kilo> well that is 2 already (not sure what yourself would vote :D )
<btami> johannesV: what about a gnue logo ?
<johannesV> reinhard, it was pretty hard to create that globe ...
<johannesV> :)
<johannesV> btami, what do you mean with gnue-logo ?
<johannesV> what kind of logo ... ?
<kilo> i think he meant something like Gnome's footie
<kilo> something you can associate with the software
<kilo> we know there are some nice goat... but...
<johannesV> ah, i see
<johannesV> well, maybe i can play a bit with my corel then ... :)
<kilo> well the splash you've shown seems professional so it may help to use that design elsewhere too
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<siesel> hi
<kilo> hi siesel
<kilo> Japan???
<siesel> yes
<reinhard> hi siesel
<reinhard> long time no see
<siesel> hi reinhard,
<reinhard> (as usual ;-))
<siesel> it makes me sad to hear that :)
<siesel> but my boss is probably happy ;)
<siesel> how are you?
<reinhard> fine, thanks
<reinhard> and you?
<siesel> fine too.
<siesel> Came back from a very nice dinner, and want to have some fun ( = coding)
<siesel> I want to revive the javascript appserver client
<reinhard> is that the webfrontend?
<siesel> yep
<reinhard> ah
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> great
<siesel> hope so :)
<kilo> well there was some enqueries recently regarding the webfrontend
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<siesel> I would like to hear your and johannes opinion about the downloading of the js code
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<reinhard> I have not touched js in my whole life
<reinhard> so I'm not sure I have an opinion at all :)
<siesel> ok, let me describe the problem: (no js knowledge needed=
<reinhard> ok
<siesel> a  unsigned javascript program can just access the site, where it was downloaded from.
<siesel> So to access appservers xmlrpc interface (http://host:8765/) it has to be downloaded from the same host and same port [solution 1]
<siesel> A second way is to use a proxy (like http://host/cgi-bin/rpcproxy.cgi) which routes the XMLRPC traffic to appserver. In this case the webfrontend can be downloaded from the normal host webserver. [solution 2]
<siesel> The last way is to use a SIGNED javascript program. [solution 3]
<reinhard> without having thought about it in depth - would it be possible to support all of them and leave the decision to the site administrator?
<siesel> In the past sol 1 was used, but the webserver code was removed from the rpc driver.  I can think of reasons to do so.
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<reinhard> ah
<siesel> solution 2: work for site admin
* johannesV off for a while
<reinhard> I do not know why it was removed
<reinhard> johannesV is on and off today (as you see)
<kilo> bbl
<johannesV> will read the logs later
<reinhard> but if you can point him to what he has removed that broke the webserver stuff
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<siesel> solution 3: pain in the ass.  it means that some parts of the webfrontend have to be rewritten and someone has to give me a code signing certificate
<siesel> hi johannes.
<reinhard> he might be able to tell you if there was a reason or he just removed it as he thought it wasn't needed
<siesel> johannes: later
<reinhard> after your deeper explanation, I would also prefer solution 1 if possible
<siesel> ok,  I will point him to.
<siesel> ok, so lets revert to solution one.
<siesel> btw. hi jamest, good morning.
<siesel> reinhard: has the repository moved?
<reinhard> yes, but a long time ago
<reinhard> svn+ssh://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk should be the current url
<siesel> yes, that reminds me of my "holiday"
<siesel> do you know a trick to convert a repository to the new url?
<reinhard> do you have local changes?
<siesel> could be
<reinhard> oh ok
<reinhard> it might work to change the url in .svn/entries files
<reinhard> but I wouldn't bet too much on that
<reinhard> so maybe first try with an unimportant subdirectory
<siesel> :)
<siesel> reinhard: I guess, I don't have a account on the new server
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> jamest or jcater should be able to help with that
<siesel> ok, I think I'll write an email.
<siesel> btw. two small remarks concerning appserver on ubuntu
<siesel> currently appserver is loaded before postgresql, so it bails out (both ubuntu and debian)
<siesel> second: ubuntu is using some special /var/run, on each boot the whole content of /var/run is removed, including the /var/run/gnue/ directory for the pid file
<reinhard> ok
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<reinhard> so for the second problem, appserver would have to create the directory as needed, right?
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<siesel> yep.
<siesel> here is my ugly hack:
<siesel>   if not (os.path.isdir(os.path.dirname(self.OPTIONS['pidfile']))):
<siesel>         os.mkdir(os.path.dirname(self.OPTIONS['pidfile']))
<siesel> hi jcater
<siesel> I wrote you an email.
<reinhard> siesel: if you replaced "isdir" with "exists" I'd think it would be ok
<reinhard> I'd prefer "exists" so the directory can also be, for example, a symlink
<reinhard> for problem #1, it's ajmitch_'s turf
<reinhard> however I bet he would answer "can you please file a bug in debian" :-)
<siesel> hehe
<siesel> nothing easier than that
<siesel> does he also takes care of ubuntu?
<reinhard> yes
<siesel> great, I will post two bugs :)
<reinhard> siesel: when you get your ash account back, can you also fix that pid dir bug?
<reinhard> I'm currenly wading knee deep in real life stuff and am out of sync with gnue a little (unfortunately)
<siesel> ok, I'll do
<reinhard> thanks
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<jamest_> belated hi to siesel
<jamest_> reinhard: siesel needs svn access?
<reinhard> yep
<reinhard> please
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<sacha_> hi siesel :)
<siesel> hi sacha_
<siesel> still in US?
<sacha_> siesel: yes but only until end of April/ beginning of May
<sacha_> siesel: are you fix in Japan, or just holidays?
<siesel> Going back to Bonn?
<sacha_> current plan is to go back to Liechtenstein
<sacha_> have to run cya later
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<siesel> I'm here since August and the contract is till August this year, ... or longerr
<siesel> later, or tomorrow -- its late out here
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<jcater> siesel: just got your email (I have greylisting enabled... so it took a while)
<jcater> give me a few minutes and I'll get it done
<siesel> thx
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<siesel> jcater: I'll try tomorrow. Night.
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<johannesV> reinhard, regarding pid-file problem
<johannesV> this is a bit tricky, cause the user starting a GServerApp application might not have enough permissions to create a directory like "/var/run/gnue"
<johannesV> (like it is the case on ubuntu, if appserver is startet as 'normal' user)
<reinhard> johannesV: good point
<reinhard> I wonder how other packages handle this
<reinhard> AFAICT, postgersql should have the same problem, for example
<reinhard> (runs as user "postgresql" and has its own subdirectory under /var/run)
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<nickr> win 11
<reinhard> cu all
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