*** yure has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC *** btami has quit IRC *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise good morning *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise good morning all *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise good morning *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise good morning everyone llo lekma kilo: :) *** johannesV has quit IRC *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has quit IRC *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC *** kilo has left #gnuenterprise *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has quit IRC *** derek has quit IRC *** jcater has quit IRC *** sacha_ has quit IRC *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise anybody heard about PythonEgg ? http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PythonEggs sounds not bad ... bbl johannesV: yes I'm trying to move to them inhouse they are really, really neat something python has needed for a long time *** btami has quit IRC ah, ok jcater, is there another (good) resource, describing how it's working ? have you seen www.python-eggs.org ? no, will look at that then ... great, looks like everything is available there ... thanks hmm, all links in the documentation section result in a 403 forbidden ... hmm,yeah, just noticed that :-/ np, the link i've had seems to provide most of the infos anyway ... so i'll read that meanwhile :) is there a plan to use it for gnue already ? I'd like to see at least gnue common as an egg but afaik, no yeah ok, have to run now ... biaw python eggs look somewhat like ruby gems i wonder if they will create a system like apt for them? gem install some-ruby-gem is nice egg install postgresql would be equally as nice :) I think that's the eventual plan both are ripoffs from perl's CPAN but aside from the installer, just having an .egg file is nice as you'd just copy gnue-common.egg into a folder in your python path and it's installed but I agree, an installer ala cpan would be great sweet python setup-cvs.py works fine on mac os x :) yes very cpan-esque of course both python and ruby are much more fun to code than perl :) they just need an egg convert some-perl-lib some-python-lib where by it would convert a perl CPAN module to a python module :) jcater: you use gnue on mac osx? trying to, yes reinhard: sshhh.... if you alert him to the mind control he might put the tinfoil hat back on I got tired of having a win machine for my graphical design apps and a linux box for everything else figured mac would be a good compromise * jcater runs KDE on mac :) jcater: that is just wrong :) I didn't realize just how good the linux WMs are until I was on a mac almost like a gay man saying is trying out "girls", but only she males ;) not saying the mac isn't better put together but not leaps and bounds ahead of the linux offerings no honestly from a UI perspective things are pretty equal BUT os X is a bit more pretty and polished .dmg files rock my socks though to me the biggest difference is stuff just works and installing software (.dmg) is just done right there's not a lot of free software for the mac, though bluetooth, wireless etc just worked no fuss no configuration etc I've been trying to find a decent text editor for a few weeks jcater: thats my biggest gripe jcater: johannesV is also a mac fan nowadays oh textmate didn't like it I'm using stan's python editor now you know i am an emacs guy it runs on mac/win/linux but textmate is just great pretty sweet jcater: and the wx26 driver for forms runs on mac osx quite nicely (i've been told) cool I hope to give designer some wx loving soon I think I want to eliminate support for wx2.4 from designer, so we can move forward it's impossible to support both, I've decided is there any way you could move to useing eclipse? (me hates java) I have a lot of internal stuff that is gobject based now I tried eclipse it is really impressive i have seen many projects use eclipse to make nice IDE the thing I hated about it is it is a pain in the butt to edit files outside of a "project" yeah just thinking might be less work to use it than write/maintain designer from scratch designer itself is pretty well laid out, code wise the UI part is actually a small part of it but naturally the part that has gotten bonked :) of course, I'm biased ...but right *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise yeah, i'm using a cvs installation on mac os x too ... (rsynced with my linux dev) using the newly added wx26 forms driver the interface get's usable on mac os x too (aside from some bugs in wx of course) *** johannesV has quit IRC btw. i'll try to create .dmg files for gnue this week ... (if i can work it out :) so setting up gnue on mac os x should get quite easy and we don't need to have xcode available on os x client (in order to use fink) johannes: what do you edit with on mac? and do you use Terminal.app? i'm using vi :) lol yes, i use the terminal quite often (at least for python stuff) since vim has syntax highlighting, automatic indentation and the like i don't see any need to use something different for coding ... i've used emas for tex writing when i was at the university ... but nowadays vim is used for nearly everything (even for writing gfd's .... *lol*) :) well, and for other writings (e.g. non-technical stuff) i'm using Pages pages is decent *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise johannesV_: do you know if wx 2.4 and 2.6 can exist on the same machine w/o conflict? i was going to install the 2.6 backport to my sarge boxes but didn't know if that frags the 2.4 forms driver since we're all on ltsp terms here i really don't have a test machine to destroy :) jamest, i'm not sure, but i think yes ... there's a version-selection mechanism ... let me have a look ah, yeah wxversion look at site-packages/wxversion.py import wxversion wxversion.select('2.4') import wx or import wxversion wxversion.select('2.5.3-unicode') import wx that should do the trick ah, damn .. i should better read what people are talkin about ? actually i haven't tried installing both versions of wx and trying gnue-forms with that mixed thing so I should probably look into making the wx driver in forms at least attempt that select I would imagine, else it'll load 2.6 hmmmm * jamest wonders if the users would notice everything blowing up while I tested :) :) jamest: I see that as a way of testing who's actually working if you blow up the software, but don't get a call for an hour or two... you know lol is the wx2.6 driver complete? for forms? that'd be my other option is just roll them to it yes, i think it's complete ... at least there are all widgets available which are for the others it will look different though :) how so? jcater: i'd imagine check boxes are comprehendible by mere mortals well, it's using proper fonts, other algorithm for determining form-cells ... hm, i've got some screenshots ... let me have a look .. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~johannes/gtk2.png http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~johannes/osx.png i've got 2.6 installed (they're only users afterall) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~johannes/winxp.png but gnue-forms -u wx26 form.gfd won't load the dirver these links are all the same gfd, run on gtk2, xp and os x jamest, what happens ? the this driver requires at least wx 2.6 error ok, what gives import wx; wx.VERSION ? johannesV_: are those using the char layout generator, or a new one? (assuming 2.4*) if so, are you just taking advantage of all the labels being right-justified? ah, no, that right-justify was due to the old application having it ... jcater, what is 'the char layout generator' ? the old forms one that used x/y coordinates and assumed a character-cell based measurement the gfd is using something like: