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<reinhard> good morning all
<dimas> good morning
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<btami> good morning
<dimas> good morning btami
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<johannesV> anybody lately tried the wx26 uidriver from prerelease ?
<johannesV> would be great to get some feedback/testing ...
<johannesV> :)
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<siesel> johannes: wx 2.6 seems to work well.  Just PgUp/Down behavior seems to be broken.
<johannesV> hm, how to reproduce that ?
<johannesV> you mean changing pages ?
<siesel> Yes.
<siesel> Changing pages should be possible by using the navigation menu
<johannesV> which os you're checking ?
<johannesV> works perfectly for me on gtk2
<siesel> or via Strg PgUp/Dn
<siesel> ubuntu
<johannesV> works perfectly on win xp
<johannesV> and on mac os x
<siesel> which form do you use?
<johannesV> hm, gnue-forms/sample/intro/intro.gfd
<johannesV> but could use another one like appserver's sample.gfd as well
<siesel> ok, seems to be an error in the form file I'm using
<johannesV> siesel, could i have that sample ?
<johannesV> i'd like to find out how to 'break' the driver ... maybe we could refine the code a bit :)
<siesel> gnue-samples//tutorials/forms/simple/simpleform.gfd
<johannesV> ehler im XML-Code in 'simpleform.gfd' in Zeile 6:
<johannesV> Ungültiges Attribut 'width' für den Tag <form>
<johannesV> if i call that simpleform.gfd
<johannesV> oh, wow, that's a really old form though ...
<johannesV> ha, sorry
<johannesV> had to update svn first
<johannesV> well, you have to add a tabbed="" to the layout tag to determine how to show that pages
<johannesV> e.g. tabbed="top" to have a notbook with tabs at the top ..
<johannesV> ok, and then the next pb is ... there's no editable control
<johannesV> which is still a problem for GF* (and thus for all drivers :)
<johannesV> (i mean on the first page)
<siesel> yes, that seems to be the reason
<johannesV> wx26 driver works without tabs (if there's an editable control on the first page)
<johannesV> that is the reason
<johannesV> (which is the reason for havin an entry on the first page of intro/intro.gfd :)
<siesel> do we already have a bug for this?
<johannesV> i'm not sure
<johannesV> no there's no such bug-report in roundup
<siesel> ok, I will create one.
<johannesV> ok
<johannesV> meanwhile i'll have a look if there's a intermediate solution to the problem
<siesel> I think the problem is connected with the FindFocus method of the GFForm object
<johannesV> yes, indeed
<johannesV> right, GFForm.findFocus () returns the first entry of the second page (since the first one does not have an entry)
<johannesV> i think this process of chaning a page should be split apart
<johannesV> first changing the page, and the focusing a widget
<siesel> I agree
<johannesV> but another question is still left, what about the focus if no foucsable widget is  available
<johannesV> iow, all keypress-related things should be disabled
<johannesV> until findAndChangeFocus () can return another entry; thus as long as GFForm._currentEntry is None, nothing should happen
<siesel> yes, and it should be easy to find all the parts which need an additional check for "if _currentEntry=None" because they would break
<reinhard> johannesV: I think this is something for 0.6
<reinhard> not trying to stop you from fixing bugs, but this problem is known for years
<johannesV> yes, i know it's been there for a while
<siesel> reinhard: I was waiting all the time for you to come out and remind us of the upcoming release.
<reinhard> and knowing we are heading towards a major change phase in gnue-forms (not to say a partly rewrite)
<reinhard> I'm not sure it makes sense to fix it *now*
<siesel> reinhard: you want to rewrite it?
<johannesV> well, i feel it could be solved a lot cleaner having a better foundation anyway
<johannesV> siesel, most of it :)
<reinhard> siesel: not a rewrite in the meaning of "rm -rf" and start again
<siesel> so what is your vision?
<johannesV> wx26 driver now handles that simpleform.gfd at least to keep in sync with GF; so the first page visible is the second one, since it is that page, having the focus on GFlayer (initially)
<johannesV> still you're not able to change to the first page (as long as you don't add an entry to that page)
<johannesV> but anyway, thanks for pointing out that (smaller) bug
<reinhard> grids, layout management
<siesel> two days ago I though i would have found some large bug in it, but it was only width written as widht.
<siesel> The parser really should check also the c: namespace.
<siesel> I tried hard, but couldn't find any other bug in wx2.6
<siesel> reinhard: do you really want to go in this direction?
<siesel> I think it only make things more complicated
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<siesel> What I would like to change is the event framework. It re-events the wheel, and doesn't cope with asian languages very well.
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<johannesV> siesel, i don't think that's a reinvention
<jamest> is he talking about the events in gnue?
<johannesV> no, he's gone to bad ... :)
<johannesV> ah
<johannesV> i mean 'bed' of course
<johannesV> sorry, siesel ...
<jamest> bad siesel!
<jamest> :)
<johannesV> i think havin a sizer-based layout could really make life easier, since one wouldn't have to fiddle with the position and sizes ...
<johannesV> at least the kind of  positioning changes
<johannesV> of course there would be a need for defining sizes
<johannesV> as i might want to have some controls using more space than others
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* reinhard makes note to self to ask siesel what the problem with asian languages is, regarding the event model
<jamest> if we did need to replace some stuff
<jamest> i would be interested in looking at the zope3 stuff if we could use it
<jamest> as i think they've got an event model
<jamest> and class templates, and a workflow lib, etc, etc
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<jamest> but I don't know if the licenses are compatible
<reinhard> ZPL 2.0 is GPL compatible according to gnu.org
<reinhard> we might need to find out how much of zope we can use without adding the whole zope overhead
<jcater> fwiw, zope3 is a rewrite of zope
<jcater> to separate core logic from just "web apps"
<jamest> yes
<jcater> (not sure how much you follow zope development)
<jamest> you can use almost all of zope3 as python modules
<jcater> zope3 is nothing like the monstrosity that is zope2
<jamest> with running any instance of zope
<reinhard> you mean *without* running any instance of zope?
<jamest> right, without
<jamest> sorry
<jamest> it appears to me like zope2 was too much for them to cope with
<jamest> so they set out to create a framework that made developing something like zope easy to maintain
<jamest> then they looked at the features and have started implementing them
<jamest> and the web front end it the last thing to come into play
<jamest> they didn't bother with any type of backwards compatability
<jcater> to give you an idea how much it changed, they now (iirc) use twisted python as the core network code
<jcater> are we in pre-release mode?
<reinhard> in forms and common, yes
<jcater> okay
<reinhard> in desinger, no
<jcater> good :)
<jcater> that's what I was getting at
<reinhard> (in case that's what you're asking)
<reinhard> :)
<jamest> gasp!
<jamest> jcater: are you.......gnue'n?
<jcater> sssh.... don't let the wife know
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<btami> johannesV: you here?
<btami> just tried wx26 on XP
<btami> find 2 minor bugs
<btami> clicking a dropdown wigets little arrow doesn't drops down the list part, just gets the field into focus, so
<btami> another clicking is needed to select something
<btami> and if the list part of it is dropped down, i can't use up/down keys to select
<btami> another pb is an old one
<johannesV> btami, right, but i can't do something about that right now, (as it is a common focus-requesting problem)
<johannesV> btami, you can use alt-up/down i think
<johannesV> just a sec, will try it
<johannesV> ah, ok, it is Shift+Up/Down
<btami> hmm, it works with win32 uidriver
<btami> another pb is an old one, clicking on the scrollbars "bar area" does nothing
<btami> i expect a pgup/pgdn behaviour
<johannesV> hm, that's a bug then ... will try ...
<johannesV> strange
<johannesV> clicking into the bar area scrolls wonderfully for me
<johannesV> which wx are you using ?
<btami> maybe the pb is in my .gfd
<btami> will try it with another form...
<johannesV> ok
<btami> back to the first pb
<btami> the old wx driver is ok
<btami> regarding dropdown with 1 click
<btami> drops down
<btami> the list part
<johannesV> 1st click into the widget or the arrow
<btami> the arrow
<johannesV> will check the focus thing later
<btami> ok
<btami> btw. the new wx26 uidriver is cool!
<johannesV> great, thanks for checking ...
<johannesV> bbl
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<reinhard> off to lug meeting
<reinhard> cu all
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