siesel: i just saw your gnueneterprise firefox plugin. looks nice. is it in svn somewhere? dimas I think siesel had it in his web folder siesel posted the url in this channel yes i saw that why is the gnuenterprise webpage outdated? on project news I see the last news posted September 28, 2005 about forms version 0.5.13 *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise good morning all good morning *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise good morning good morning hi btami does gnue-runtime-environment also include wx2.6 ? no i'm waiting for a new designer release ah the latest released designer is running with wx 2.6, but so it can't include both 2.4 and 2.6 ? no, it can't ok, I see is designer ready for a release? dunno just jcater can tell *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise is there a new package for gnue-runtime-env or is 2005.10.13 the latest that is the latest reinhard: i can see what you write in #reinhard can you see wah i answered? no ok btami yes btami i will try to produce it today btami do you want wx 2.6.1.0 (work ok with new wx26 ui) or 2.6.2.1 (required by svn designer) ? btami i vote for 2.6.1.0 btami and what about unicode or not ? btami unicode has problems on win98, but btami i don't know if we want win9x support for endless time btami reinhard: do you have any customers around with win9x ? btami hmm, and what win-psycopg version you like to see in ? btami http://stickpeople.com/projects/python/win-psycopg/ btw. another intresting question for you: have you ever read about MSVCR71.DLL licece problem related with py2exe ? btami: great, thanks for trying to produce it today http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=7316286&forum_id=40690 I don't need win9x, actually I had problems on win me anyway me is in the win9x line :( unicode would be prefered, and 2.6.1.0 is better (I need wx ui) ok no special need for win-psycopg currently (urgent need is for sqlite3) ok about license questions: *shiver* would that concern us? yes, when we want to chage to Python 2.4 and want to redistribute it with py2exe now i'm packaging 2.3 so no problem today :) btami, i'd recommend 2.6.1.0 *and* unicode :) as 2.6.2.1 has some broken stuff (as we've found out) and unicode because most of gnue is based on unicode anyway ok *** dimas has quit IRC *** dimas_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** yure has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has quit IRC ping pong :) sha la la la kilo: what? :) everybody inda houze say 'hooooo' hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :) johannesV: what provider to use for sqlite3 ? you mean for connections.conf ? yep sqlite3 thx as this is the name of the directory of the driver in gnue.common.datasources.drivers.sql it maps to pysqlite2 python module i see *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise ah, there he is ... :) i think the sample connection snippet in the drivers code is not correct then no ? yah, that's right it isn't correct already commited, thanks for pointing out * btami just testing the new gnue-runtime np the new gnue-runtime-environment uploaded to prereleases... btami: you are gold! but but? well maybe you are only silver? ;-) for the wx26 ui you have to apply the latest commit i made in forms? yep reinhard, can you do another beta for forms then ? koz the wx26 wants to introspect the version from the filesystem I'll do beta3 of forms then? no problem cool this is to support multiple wx.versions on the same machine yes beta3 running * reinhard looks back to that time when preparing a release took 3-4 hours... lol reinhard: how long it is now? :) about 20 seconds plus the time the script needs to run :) good work *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard: i'm sorry, but forgot to import sys can you produce beta4, please ? lol of course thx *** kilo has left #gnuenterprise oops lost connection to ash while release script was running trying again forms .exe beta4 uploaded ok, will try it right now ok, using the newly created exe-files, wx26-uidriver works perfectly (as well as the sqlite3-driver) i've also check the address-app (from contrib) ... works fine. so i'll create new osx-packages then johannesV: thx for the feedback bbl *** btami has quit IRC *** johannesV has quit IRC *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise johannesV: thanks for testing so is wx2.6 replacing the win32 dirver then? jamest, actually my plan was to replace *all* drivers (except curses) with the wx26-driver (at least in the long run) so we have to maintain only two drivers, wx26 and curses 3 drivers but for now, wx26 is only one among others wx26, curses, and qt well, i'm not sure about that QT thing jamest, aren't you running KDE somewhere ? *** yure has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise johannesV: everywhere we're a KDE on LTSP shop and KDE at home ok, so which forms-driver are you using ? now? wx2.4 it's the only one that doesn't butcher my legacy forms ah, ok, so there *is* a wx-implementation for kde ? no, it's gtk1 and people hate it but it's all i have atm that works yeah, but is there a wx2.6 available for kde in general ? not based on qt that I know of but based on gtk2 ? yeah, i installed that at home this week and runing forms in that there why? *** klasstek has joined #gnuenterprise *** yure has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise johannesV: not sure if you saw the "why?" * jamest assumes the _ means you lost connection jamest, i was just wondering if one is able to use forms on kde right now once we will have a native qt driver (hopefully) *** johannesV has quit IRC oh, it's always worked under kde just not w/ native widget set though I think it does pick up some theme info i was looking thru my hacked up gnue-navigator at the house last night i'm still interested in a workbench style framework so I can embed my forms and custom apps at work i think i last talked about this 6 or so months ago with lots of ui drivers in forms it was going to be "fun" but with only wx and qt and curses I don't think it would be as bad yeah, what about having navigator as beeing just another gfd :) what would the point of that be? well, i was thinking navigator be more like a netbeans or eclipse for python to not have a navigator as subproject at all :) that the other apps would run inside of but i was more kidding than talking serious eclipse calls it a rich client platform i think navigator is special enought to do it's own impl. but maybe it could reuse uidriver's code if I continue on, it won't use uidrivers at all it'd have a few abstrations for menus, toolbars, and such that would link to native widget sets then it'd have a way to offer up workspace windows to apps those would be native panel type windows inside navigator where forms could treat that as a standard panel and draw the ui on it with ui drivers it's a long term thing, not something ready any time soon unless a miracle occurs and I suddenly find an extra 12 hours a day wait, that would mean I got fired um, forget I said anything about finding extra time :) oh no ... :) what I'd like to see having done some of this in designer, so having a wishlist coming from that a gnue.common.ui structure, with drivers.wx, etc a gnue.common.apps.GUIApp which is a subclass of GClientApp and the ability to say your application *must* be a certain widget set lol like some of my internal apps are qt so I'd change them from in my navigator i have base.application class MyClass(GClientApp) to class MyClass(GUIApp) ui.drives UIDRIVER='qt3' then I could just ask for panels, etc, and those panels would be native panels that my app uses normally but it becomes part of the "navigator" desktop (for lack of a better word) that's what I was aiming for is that kinda sorta the same thing ? with the addition of plug ins so the navigator tree would be a plug in that would add a nav panel that could launch other embed apps but the base you described is what I was attempting as all our tools do load config parse options load ui run we'll well not all our apps, but the gui ones well, at a minimum it lets all the apps share the small little toolkit-specific utilities we've come up with like loading icons, startup dialogs *** sacha has quit IRC hmmmmm does the wx2.6 driver override the event handlers at the panel level like 2.4 used to? s/used to/still does for all i know *** derek has quit IRC *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise *** derek has quit IRC *** reinhard has quit IRC *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has left #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has quit IRC *** nickr has quit IRC *** nickr has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has left #gnuenterprise *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has left #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** klasstek has quit IRC *** weex has joined #gnuenterprise *** sjc has quit IRC *** derek has quit IRC *** weex has quit IRC *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has left #gnuenterprise