*** ajmitch has quit IRC *** ajmitch has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise good morning good morning *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise good morning good morning *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** derek_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** pgstudy has joined #gnuenterprise what method does the appserver uses to send the form to the client? you mean form's data? if yes, then xml-rpc gnue-forms calls a RPC function on appserver, then appserver sends the form as the function result (if you mean the generated forms) :) does it work both ways? i.e. server initiate calls to client? i.e., refreshing the data in the form if it changed nope in fact clients work in isolated transactions i.e. you don't see changes made by other clients unless you explicitly commit or refresh your transaction which is, BTW, how I really think it should be *** btami has quit IRC *** derek_ has quit IRC wow some action in this channel... Is gnueterprise production ready... would it suit a small manufacturing plant including payroll? FaithX: there's always action when somebody asks something :) gnue is production ready as a development tool gnue is not there as a turnkey erp/payroll solution as a dev tool... elaborate just a little reinhard what does it allow me to do? gnue allows you to easily create database applications both in 2-tier mode (user interface <-> database server) and 3-tier mode (with application server in between) and you write your app once and run it on GNU/Linux, Windows, Mac OSX and with several db backends from sqlite to maxdb *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has left #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** klasstek has joined #gnuenterprise *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard: how can you be at the office when so many good futbol games are in stadiums so close to you. :) * derek suspects you are moderately close to munich and stuttgart? yep 2-3 hours but I wouldn't go there even if you paid me for it :) yeah, futbol is boring * jcater hides in this case i think that it has less to do with futbol and more to do with the mob crowds yep i love the game, but im not sure i would attend a world cup in germany... its got to be insane in any town with games being played thre * jcater was being inflamatory ... I knew what reinhard meant mob crowds? * derek had read somewhere they thought prostitution outside stadiums was going to be so bad that they were going to set up special port a jon things just for prostitutes to do their "work" in jcater: you have any sco boxes left? a client called us the other day using a product called add+on that runs on sco "linux" * derek is wondering what kind of pain is involved in getting rid of it :) I have a sco emulated box linux-abi.sf.net exactly what i was looking for! thanks *** jamest has quit IRC *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise i've got three tickets for the 3. Round (24th June) in munich ... := :) johannesV_: aussies just put one in (cahill) in the 87th minute to tie japan 1:1 great ... johannesV_: remember the vatican gives red cards for engaging in prostitution :) no way... aussies put in another one in 90th to go up 2-1... thats just sick :) ok no more futbol in here. :)... i came to ask a real question and now i forgot it :( has there been any more work done a on a web client by siesel? and then for reinhard and johannesV_ is there a website for the new package work you guys are doing? *** siesel has joined #gnuenterprise hi hi siesel how goes teh web interfaces for gnue it is kind of stalled at the moment, as I #ve been occupied with real life derek: there is no package work we are doing at the moment reinhard: i thought you guys had a call center thing going? But I will have really much time in July oh that's running for > 1 year no with little to no changes and have already many ideas, how to improve the webclient. and I wouldn't even call it "call center" Do you have any plans to use it ? more like a "hotline invoicing framework" siesel: im just curious of the approach currently we are using a lot of ruby on rails and do you like it? I mean RoR i think it does a lot of things well, but it still doesnt solve my primary problems :) you mean the primary problems which can be solved by software or the other ones ;) they have something like gnue designer wizards (only for web) called scaffolding that is interesting derek: we've seen your code I wouldn't expect RoR to do miracles and their active record stuff is similar to gnue-common certainly RoR has brought web applications very much into the future recently I read a comparison between RoR and Zope. it still misses the mark to be a specific enough framework to churn out enterprise applications Both would be application frameworks, which would promote a programming language. And users would learn first about the framework and then start to use the language. I know a bit about rails and much more about python, and I think, that both somehow sucks. yeah i think that is fair statement oops, please replace python by zope there is much talk about how pretty and perfect ruby is.... derek: my idea of an enterprise app framework is to use gnue-designer + vi to create the forms and reports and try it out using gnue-forms but personally it reminds me of perl only with a good object model of course i liked object pascal so what do i know and then to transform it into a web application I think object pascal is something humans can read and understand, but perl and ruby seems to need some kind of extra syntax training well thats what i dont get everyone here RAVES on how "readable" ruby is and how "human" it is to me the syntax is crap unless you are a ruby programmer probably you have to learn Katakana first to understand it, as ruby comes from Japan. then take replacement for ror from python's world dont get me wrong, ruby is really quite nice, but i dont think it this elegant thing of beauty people claim it to be simply put w/o rails i wouldnt be using ruby I was surprised to learn how much ruby shuns unicode but apparently that comes from its japanese background derek: the webfrontend should be for gnue-forms as mySAP to R3. jcater: is it so much better than python concerning unicode? jcater: ruby like its developers is VERY opinionated siesel, not better ... worse they dont care about internationalization remember all japanese people read/write english ;) at least japanese programmers has gnue considered using the django database api? i do not think so i actually think gnue's db abstraction is some of the best i have ever used but it would be nice to see consolidation in the python world on the subject :) *** siesel has quit IRC *** johannesV_ has quit IRC *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** pgstudy has quit IRC *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has quit IRC *** reinhard has quit IRC *** klasstek has quit IRC *** sjc has quit IRC *** derek has quit IRC *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC *** libervisco has joined #gnuenterprise *** libervisco has left #gnuenterprise *** derek has quit IRC *** someon has joined #gnuenterprise For the logs... How does Glom compare with what GNUe has done so far? It seems to be written in Python, but only for GTK (2?) And only for PostgreSQL *** dimas has quit IRC It is modelled after FileMaker Pro rather than Oracle Forms, but seems to share a number of elements.... It does has one thing that would be interesting to see how they have done - "User Level" --- Access permissions OK.. so it's written using gtkmm, so it must be C++, but uses python for calculated fields... *** someon has left #gnuenterprise